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Wednesday 30 July 2014

A Short take on Selangor MB and Leaked Whatsapp scenario analysis that isnt analytical

Just a short take. Lets not spoil our Hari Raya.Mahu Raya pun tak sinang.
The 2 hot issues now I think are (1) the leaked conversation between PAS members in their whatsapp group. In particular the scenario analysis of Dr Zuhdi Marzuki about the position of PAS and (2) the ignorance of Khalid Ibrahim about the unspoken rules of politics.
Much as I respect and revere Tok Guru Nik Aziz, he has been proven wrong on several occasions when judging personalities. He may be a pious man but it’s not possible for any human to have complete qashaf or knowledge beyond the physical.
I remember a long time ago, he was supportive of Abu Hassan Omar a onetime MB of Selangor. He gave such a resounding endorsement to Abu Hassan that the later expressed syukur to Nik Aziz. Abu Hassan turned out to be a dud despite Nik Aziz’s endorsement. So if I were Khalid Ibrahim, I would not be counting my chickens too soon.
I have not written about this- because the official stand of DAP is to allow these parties directly involved in these issues to sort them out. In the case of the scenario analysis, PAS should make its stand clear on this. In the case of the Selangor MB- PKR and Khalid Ibrahim.So readers please take note: this is a personal opinion of mine.
Khalid Ibrahim must stop believing that his position as MB is the same as being the CEO of Guthrie. He is MB because his party together with the endorsement of the other PR parties agreed on his position. We do not have direct elections in choosing the MB. Khalid as an economics teacher (he taught is Sekolah Menengah Abdul Rahman Talib in Kuantan) cannot comprehend this? Instead he makes a big fuss about PAS supporting his position as MB. Where is his honour in this instance?
You don’t have support from your own party; you have to depend on the support of another? Then he should quit PKR and join PAS. Or PAS can insist on wanting their man to become MB. They can, as suggested by Dr Zuhdi team up with UMNO and retain Khalid Ibrahim, whom the future of Selangor depeded.
They must do so, because Khalid Ibrahim is the only man that can develop Selangor. PAS has only kampung ustazs and lay preachers who are more interested in other worldly pursuits and using Islam and a control tool. That will satisfy the power crazy and position starved PAS members who want to have positions in government.


Anonymous,  30 July 2014 at 08:10  

Tak perasaan pulak PAS ni power crazy..kalau saya PAS dah tentu saya mintak kerusi MB bila PAS menang lebih besar dari PKR. Tapi atas dasar setia kawan PAS tak tuntut..yang lebih sudu dari kuah..DAP mintak jawatan Speaker dengan gaji lebih besar dari exco. PAS asyik mengalah saje. Orang PAS macam orang lain jugak, nak jugak jawatan besar dan gaji besar.

Ariff Sabri 30 July 2014 at 08:20  

sdra takdenama 08:10.

saya tulis:
That will satisfy the power crazy and position starved PAS members who want to have positions in government.

tak perasaan pulak ini sama dengan mengata pas secara keseluruhan.

Anonymous,  30 July 2014 at 08:34  

It is clear as daylight that Khalid Ibrahim is unjustly treating the MB position as his personal property even though the position belongs to PKR.

PAS is also unjustly supporting an unjust act or ironically and indirectly telling its own members that they can also ignore their party's instructions! I am very surprised indeed that PAS leaders cannot think of this! I guess their actions are ruled more by the heart instead of their brains - no offence intended but it may be scientifically correct.

Yes, I also all along have strong reservations about Tok Guru's wisdom. Like you said, he may be a pious and a good man but he seems to be a bit short in thinking through issues which in this case becomes an unjust decision on his part.

I hope PAS leaders "think" through carefully on this issue and do not give the impression that PAS is an unjust party.

Anonymous,  30 July 2014 at 09:14  

Excuse me to say Pas will never learn. not now not before and may be not in the near future. If anyone hit them right on the nose they will retieliate by using words such as 'tak islam', 'mudah munghukum kafir' etc etc. To them their opinion are absulete right but other's are wrong. These bunch of people dont want to think or ponder what people say.

Anonymous,  30 July 2014 at 09:23  

UMNO is using PAS as its foot stool or its water boy to do its bidding, that is the break up Pakatan and then self-destruct.
Then UMNO reigns supreme.
There is no way PAS will have its way if it joins UMNO cost there wont be enough spoils to go round. UMNO want all. PAS will be left to lick its wounds.

Anonymous,  30 July 2014 at 09:46  

I must admit that I was once a Khalid admirer when he first ascended to the MB position. I thought at last we have a man who can will run his state efficiently like a corporate hot-shot rather than playing politics like most of our politicians do. But atlas, how wrong I was. He's proven he is no different from the bunch of greedy selfish leaders who, once tasted power just refuse to let go like being hooked to opium or some other hallucinating drug. One gets the feeling that his fear of losing his job goes deeper than that. Fear of having his skeletons falling out of his cupboard perhaps? As for PAS i have always doubted their credentials.

Anonymous,  30 July 2014 at 09:58  

Why is Khalid so adamant not to accede to his party's request to vacate the MB's seat. By convention you could only become MB if your party chooses you to become a candidate for the State Election and thereafter chose you to be MB. Although a convention, it must have the force of law as being practiced in the UK.

I think his reluctance must have to do with his Bank Islam settlement suit, the signing of the water concession and the Kidex issue. Khalid might be afraid that whoever becomes the next Mb might dig up and investigate this issues. already there is suggestion that the water concessionaires agreement is to be reviewed. RM9.5 billion according to Phua and Rafizi is not the true market value.

Unknown 30 July 2014 at 10:02  

Beautiful article Dato,PAS has full of kampong ustazs,with half past six mentality.

lan 30 July 2014 at 14:20  

MB Khalid should be ashamed to cling on on power on Pas and Umno's support! Now all eyes are on Pas mess thanks to the leak ill 'jentik' message.

Sam Yap,  30 July 2014 at 14:28  

Dear Sak, a lot of damage has been done since over Hadi's declaration and the recent exposure of the distasteful whatsapp messages.

Perception is an important element in politics. And currently its obvious from the discussions and comments across all the cyber social media, citizens of all races are pissed off with PAS.

PAS's credibility and declared Islamic principles are now called into question.

Judging from the reactions, it would seem PAS has not only lost the plot, but worse yet, PAS has used up all its credit in the voters bank. Burned it.

Its sad that a party like PAS which presented itself as an honest Joe has now turned rogue. They sold it to the non muslims and non-Malays that PAS is truly Islam and will defend the rights of the non-muslims.
But going by the whatsapp leak it seems they are willing to even sacrifice basic Islamic fundamental principles to gain power via racist politics.

As I said the PAS has run down their credit in the voter bank. If they do sleep with syaitan (the devil), the country will suffer and so will the citizens.

Anonymous,  30 July 2014 at 15:48  

Just when non-Malays thought PAS is much better than UMNO and can be trusted, what a big disappointment the whatsapp discloses. Remove the sheep skin and there hides a wolf.

Anonymous,  30 July 2014 at 16:04  

Komen saya adalah bagi membalas komen pertama dimana tukang komen menyatakan TAK PERASAAN PULA PAS INI POWER CRAZY.
Jawapan saya, PAS tidak power crazy KOT.
Masalah disini adalah masalah peribadi Presiden PAS.
Presiden PAS menyokong Khalid. Soalnya kenapa Presiden PAS mahu sokong Khalid sedangkan partinya sendiri dan sayang sekali Cawangan Khalid sendiri sudah menolak Khalid?
Apabila parti tidak mahu lagi kepada MB parti2 lain yang ada di dalam gabungan kenalah sokong parti itu.
Kenapa Hadi mahu terus sokong KHalid?
Betul ke Khalid letak anak menantu Hj. Hadi yang bergelar DIN AYAM dalam anak syarikat kerajaan Selangor?
Kalau betul apa fungsinya dalam syarikat itu?
Kalau betul, berapa kah gaji dan elaun dan lain2 imbuhan yang diterima menantunya yang bergelar DIN AYAM itu?
Nak Tanya juga, betul kah Iskandar menerima imbuhan dari Khalid? dan kalau ada untuk apa imbuhan itu? dan berapa kah jumlah yang diterima? dan apa kah wang itu digunakannya?
Jadi, disini bukan PAS Power Crazy kot, mungkin personaliti tertentu punyai kepentingan peribadi.
Saya difahamkan kalau seorang pemimpin parti Islam jika dalam membuat sesuatu keputusan untuk pihak awam memilih untuk membuat keputusan bagi menjaga kepentingannya atau anak beranaknya maka ia BERLAKU TIDAK AMANAH.
Betul kah, ada sesiapa dalam PAS berlaku TIDAK AMANAH.
Saya risau selama ini saya menyokong sebuah parti yang bergelar parti Islam, adakah benar2 Islam kalau pemimpinnya membuat keputusan secara tidak adil.

KTWong87,  30 July 2014 at 16:37  


Like you, I respect Nik Aziz, and was surprised at his endorsement of Hadi's stance tothe extent that he told PAS memebrs to listen to Hadi simply on the strength of having read Hadi's statement. But Tok Guru is only human, and from subsequent accounts, he might have been out of touch with political developments as he had been in and out of hospitals.

As for "kampong ustazs and lay preachers", I'd agree that the recent developments have highlighted that the current power structure seems to heavily influenced by such. But even the rascal Dr MohdZuhdi Marzuki is quite a qualified professional.

What's more, PAS does have well qualified personalities who are not "kampong ustazs and lay preachers" - for example, Dr Dzulkefly Ahmad, Khalid Samad and Husam Musa.

And lastly, despite the havoc caused by certain "kampong ustazs and lay preachers" of late in PAS, I personally many a time found more wisdom in what some "kampong ustazs and lay preachers" said than others not in that category. Heck... even Mat Sabu may possibly be considereded a "kampong ustaz / lay preacher", but he has shown much leadership and wisdom before.

So I beg to differ.

Anonymous,  30 July 2014 at 16:49  

Umno knowd very well the mood and 'thinking' of PAS members. Especially the relationship between grassroor members and their leaders. When the PAS president threw his support for the MB, the machinery of the Youth wing immediately issued statement reminding them to support and rally behind the President.
They do so without thinking, analysing and to some without an iota of information.
If you were to ask a grassroot members on why PKR wants so badly to removed TSKI, they would give different version and the sad part is, these versions are far from the truth.
PKR should have carried out a road show in Selangor to explain to the rakyat on why the need to replace the MB. PKR should also request for an audience with the DYMM Sultan of Selangor to brief his Highness and also seek his blessing.
PKR was slow or not too convingcing in making its partners see whatever wrongdoing or dangers lurking and ready to strike should the present MB is not removed.
The attacks on DSAI is also conveniently increased to add pressure to the already big headache face by PR and PKR.
The only good thing that comes out of this is that the Rakyat is able to see the true colours of the leaders particularly from PAS

Anonymous,  30 July 2014 at 16:57  


put it this way.
there is a big chance zuhdi leaked the whatsapp image on purpose.
reason is to split pas and pr from within. many will be pressured to chose sides now. the good thing is we the rakyat get to judge pas and pr now instead of 5 years down the road.

Anonymous,  30 July 2014 at 18:21  

Anonymus 30 July 8.10

Tak sedar kah PAS satu kerusi lebih adalah disebabkan perbuatan PAS di kerusi Kota Damansara.

Fair Play 30 July 2014 at 18:52  

"They can, as suggested by Dr Zuhdi team up with UMNO...."

Yes that is their free choice but if they chose that path, they must first resign their elected positions as MPs and ADUNs. They won their seats contesting as partners of Pakatan Rakyat. Voters voted for them because they were part of PR. Jumping will be a betrayal of their voters.

Anonymous,  30 July 2014 at 19:25  


cuba baca balik statement TGNA dan tengok tanda soal, koma dll.... sebenarnya dia pukui semua

Anonymous,  30 July 2014 at 20:19  

Tak pasti pulak TGHH membuat keputusan tidak adil. TGHH bertanya apakah salah Khalid hingga dipinggirkan dan dilantik pulak mem seorang yang tiada bakat untuk memimpin jadi Menteri Besar; dahlah tiada pengalaman jaga syarikat, sewaktu jadi ahli parlimen Permatang Pauh tak perasan pulak jasa beliau kat situ. Bila Pak Sheikh sebut kroni jangan kena sebelah pihak, diri sendiri tu kena lebih lagi..tak boleh persepsi kroni dan juga secara nyata...kalau tidak hipokrit alias munafik namanya..

Saudara ada bukti iskandar dapat imbuhan dari khalid, saudara ada bukti telah berlaku penyelewengan kalau anak TGHH pegang jawatan GLC kat Selangor.Apa lagi lapurkanlah kat SPRM. Jangan pulak bila dah ada satu standard untuk orang lain, bila kena batang hidung sendiri, macam macam pulak dolak daliknya.

Seingat saya dahulu ada seirang penulis blog dijatakan penyokong kuat gPAS, ribut sana sini, mintak pulak jawatan tinggi yand diri sendiri pun tak layak. Bika tak dapat, semua pemimpin PAS salah dia saja yang betul.Kalau dia berani bertanding jawatanlah.lain kali..bertandinglah jawatan rendahlah dulu..

bruno,  30 July 2014 at 22:22  

Dato,looking at how stuborn Khalid is hanging onto his position,is the way PKR handled the matter of the Selangor MB'ship.It is the lack of leadership in PKR that lead to all this mess.

First is letting Azmin having a free hand in trying to push out Khalid which has now turn out to be something of a personal matter between them.Then came in Rafizi as an attack dog and now Anwar,the DAP and PAS.

All this public washing of dirty linen to humilate Khalid has backfired.Now he is going tit for tat against his party's leadership and the coalition.To Khalid it is no longer a party matter.It is personal,like you screw me I will screw you back.

PKR,as I have always said is a sub standard political party,which will eventually implode.We do not have far away to India or Indonesia.Just look at their party elections.It is a never ending affair.If the party had good leadership,Umno/BN will now be sitting on the opposition bench.

Anonymous,  30 July 2014 at 22:37  

Amboi marah nyer machai2 DAP kat comments2 sini? U guys can take Anwar n his jambu cohorts to be your stooge but we at PAS tak akan di perkuda kan oleh Dapigs.... Faham?

Basar 31 July 2014 at 01:33  

Kalau sokong anwar pasti kita di julang. Lawan kalau, siap la kena belasah kaw2. Tak kira sapa.

Ikut lojik akal penulis sokongan tgna terhadap tghh dan tski tidak berguna kerana tgna terbukti pernah silap dalam peniliaan beliau.

Jawapan kenyataan tuan ada dalam blog tuan bab jumpa dengan tgna.

Faham baik2 intipati kenyataan tgna. Bab pertama bukan bab tski atau tghh tapi bab beribadat mengejar 10 hari terakhir bulan ramdan. Sebab esok lusa ajal tiba tahun depan tak ada peluang suda.

Tuan tak nak komen ke bab awal tu.

Bab tuduhan terhadap tski, pakai bab kami dulu pertahankan dsi. Mana deh saksinya, mana deh buktinya mana deh penyelewengannya. Tgna mintak bukti kami pun nak bukti. SPRM pun nak bukti. Anwar atau tuan kalau ada bukti sila la tunjukan. Tunjuk bukan cakap kedai kopi.

Tanpa bukti sama macam kes liwat la. Dap pkr kan bagus bab kemukaan bukti ni. Keluarkan pasti tersungkur tski, tghh hatta tgna. Untung dap dan pkr dan bn, pupus pas.

Agaknya bila bukti boley kua.

As for non muslim, yes we also welcome dap n pkr to cut pas from pr. We also welcome anwaris in pas to join dap or pkr or even open a new party for that matters. If pas lose all the set in dun and parlimen which have and will happen, we just gear up for the next pru.

If we lose than we gear up for the next and next and next.
Pas is still young compare to our brother ikwanul muslimin. So is a long way to go.

So keep cursing and prying and dreaming. In the end, it does not realy matter. Coz death shall come for all off us.

Anonymous,  31 July 2014 at 01:47  

Ini komen PAS ke UMNO?

Anonymous,  31 July 2014 at 12:05  

Just look at how PAS lost Trengganu & Kedah to BN? Do they have amy leadership skills or they only care for hudud implementation?

Anonymous,  31 July 2014 at 15:28  

Memang orang politik power crazy.
Orang politik sanggup tukar parti hanya kerana power dan wang.
Walaupun sebelumni dia kutuk parti lawan, TETAPI disebabkan power dan duit , dia sanggup jilat semula apa yang dia sebut.

tHe JaCkaL 31 July 2014 at 16:42  

Apa yang dinyatakan oleh mamat zuhdi ni adalah hasil penyelidikan beliau, Ada salah??? Mentang mentang sarung si zuhdi ni terlondeh di whatsapp nak terajang dia??? Mungkin situasi hypothethical inilah yang pas suruh dia selidik selama ini..kalau nak terajang tu speak terajang pas dalam pilihan raya kerana breed intellectual sarung londeh macam dr.zuhri

Anonymous,  1 August 2014 at 14:43  

Just move a vote of no confidence in State Assembly and see.

Anonymous,  3 August 2014 at 15:31  

Pertanyaan Ini sang at betel. Hadi mesti nawab Ali pas mengenai pengibatan son in law dia Dalam anak sYarikat kerajaan selangor. Terangkan Hadi.

Anonymous,  3 August 2014 at 15:38  

Hmmmmmm......., probably you could be very right there! Who would discuss strategy like this , isn't it stupid? And this guy is a lecturer graduated from where I wounds, holding post of Director of Reasearch? Surely pas cc should know whether that was requested of him. This is so shameful that pas must resolve this internally and remove such intentions to split by removing those elements immediately if pas wants to remain a reality or exit as Hadi exits .

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