Framing the Questions.
How to defend UMNO among the electorate when the party accepts as Ketua Pemuda, a person who was found guilty by the UMNO Disciplinary Board? How do we defend UMNO when its DB is not consistent? In the case of Isa Samad, he was stripped as member for 3 years and had to resign as MB. In the case of Ali Rustam, he was only barred from contesting the Deputy President's post? And he gets to keep the CM's post. The answers to these questions will depend on how the questions are asked and who is doing the asking. If you were to ask Tan Sri Sanusi Junid whose son failed to secure a place and Pemuda exco, he will phrase the question so as to get the answers he wanted. He wants answers that fortify his own misgivings on the credibility of the UMNO disciplinary board. The board has certain facts submitted before them. It decides the issues before them based on facts. Hence, the outcome of their findings is distinguished on account of the facts before them. It cannot decide the outcome based on extraneous factors not convertible to facts. The facts surrounding Isa Samad must have been different from Ali Rustam. As to KJ being the ketua Pemuda, why should the question be framed in such a manner? If one is sincere, he can always answer the question by saying that UMNO is ready and willing to submit its own members to an exhaustive assessment of his/her credibility. The fact is that KJ has been found guilty and PUNISHED by being given a warning. Yet despite the blight on his character, he managed to win. That is the fact now. The punishment in the form of a warning is merited on the ground of the facts surrounding the allegations about him. It was based on some claims (before he announced his candidacy) that KJ has been instrumental in giving people funds and projects. Why do we need to continue defending KJ? The need arises because the unrepentant jury is still out there to lynch him. The need arises also because a victory over doubters must be won over and over again.
46 comments:
AND STILL YOU FAILED TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS ASKED IN THE FIRST PARAGRAPH... why ? because the unrepentant jury is still out there to lynch him... and these juries are not in the form of sanusi junid or mahathir....
IT'S THE FORM OF MANY PEOPLE OUT THERE.. THE VOTERS WHO ARE NOT UMNO MEMBERS...
frame that question from these juries' point of view instead of just sanusi's....
have reached the answer yet? the bare fact is, he was guilty of money politics. defend that...
dont be so naive in thinking all kj haters are within umno... if you are then you are really blind...
kj was punished after given a warning????? kihihihihi kelakarnya.. dah bersalah tuuuu... kena warn aje.. boleh bertanding lak tu!
even after being warned, dia masih bagi duit kat perwakilan..
malam sebelum mengundi tu lebih 100 perwakilan dia sogok... masih tak sedar diri.. warning kebenda... menang pun sbb pak lah.. tak kena gantung pun sbb pak lah.. kah kah kah. tak malunya. belakang, kata dia menang sbb kekuatan sendiri. kah kah kah. ada ka mcm tu.
yg peliknya, prokj masih sokong kj walaupun tahu perkara ni betul.. hai.. heran heran.. huhuhuhu
nobody says the juries are in the form YOU said them to be.
now, since when are you the spokesman for the voters out there? they dont care two hoots about the leadership in UMNO- UMNO to them is one homogeneous enemy. they dont differentiate UMNO into KJ and non KJ.
i thought sanusi was quoted by me as saying something regarding the treatment of Ali Rustam? where did i quote him on saying something on KJ? are you doing a voice over as Sanusi?
i have deleted the comment by this material you pick up from the gutter who called himself puteratanah melayu or something. if you dont know how to be civil to argue yr point, dont come into my blog.
KT MM and KJ ALL had to bagi duit to the hungry delegates! KT had spent millions while the other two spent a few hundred thousand. So why single out KJ alone?? And BIG PAPA was even campaigning for MM.Pak Lah tak campur.WHY? People sudah kata dia pemimpin lemah! Yet KJ won!
WHY are you all so blind and biased??
Sebab you are all routing in for TDM.You want TDM to win!But God said otherwise!
Sadly our icon leader will not rest until he kills off KJ's political career.
go KJ go!!!
i'm a KJ fan..:D
tq datuk sak
Datuk SAK,
Too many sour grapes coming to your site yet you "seronok" entertaining them.
Tumpang lalu Sak,
What next? You guys want to see him spill blood? And only then will you be satisfied.
Melayoo bodoh.
There are the likes of Karpal Singh, Lim Kit Siang, the Bar Council, Liwat & Co, Lim Guan Eng, the Ngeh and the Nga, the Jews behind Permatang Pauh etc.etc who are planning to memperhambakan Bangsa Melayu. And what do you do -bitch, bitch, bitch, over this Ketua Pemuda.
Wake up lah.
To KJ, the tougher the battle, the sweeter the victory.
And yes, Go KJ Go! GO! GO! GO1
-A Non-Bumiputra Melayu-
Dear Dato,
Now, try to 'pay off' all of these people, if your KJ can.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaQqtOe_FBU
To Anon 23.37,
Why do you insist on being stupid?
Highway
Continue to be blind abt the voters' views on umno and kj?
This will be ur undoing. Politicians are all the same.
And wuts worse are the blogging politians. They have conscience, but too much pride gets in the way.
Especially the ones trying to regain power and relevance through KJ. Sometimes their
arguements became flip flop and arrogant like pak lah n his family members.
We can also see this crudeness in their blogs. Sadly this blog has become crude like its other kj compatriots.
We could actually see the changes in the quality of the articles. Have a look at the articles mid last year and compare it to the articles for the last few weeks..
To Anon 15.
Why bother coming to this blog then?
Nobody forced you to come to Dato's blog and give marks?
Away and to hell with your crude and rude remarks!Never come back! If you do I hope you'll suffer a very bad tummy ache and stay in the toilet brain of yours! Rude skunk!
Sak,
Who is defending KJ? Most of the UMNO grassroots do not & a notable number of leaders do not. Defending a known tainted clown? Definitely not except for some donkeys. You can bury the carcass of an elephant but you can't certainly hide it. We can smell the rot. So to your question - the unrepentant jury is still out there to lynch him, we still smell the rot. It's not only money politics, sir, but many other issues involving KJ and Dollah.
who is this fellow who writes in Chinese in my blog? please have it translated so that others can read and share your thoughts.
i would appreciate it very much if you do that. thanks and best regards.
To anon 6.40
Why the deep and biased prejudice?
Talk about the rotten smell? All the top politicians of Umno, PKR, MIC, MCA wear the same smelly perfume!
Yours is probably the fishy smell!!
Dear Dato,
Are you employing parrots here in your blog?
Are we not allowed to have our own opinion to share with you here, Dato'?
Or you dont l;ike dissenting comments?
anon at 8.36
are you the one who wrote in Chinese? is that yr idea of dissenting comments?
i dont know what you are talking about. you are free to express yr views here even though not in tandem with mine. but keep it civil and do it with good reasoning.
and you can expect yr views will not be shared by other readers. please dont suggest that because theirs are not agreeable with yrs, you are asking me to censor them.
but if you are suggesting that i have to be unguarded so as to prove that i am liberal minded and allow indiscriminate verbal asaults by you or others, may i remind you that this is after all my blog.
if you want to share yr thoughts with others,may i suggest you open up yr blog so that we in turn may debate yr ideas. boleh?
Testing
Assalamualaikum Dato'
The ANON who commented on Mandarin/Cantonese is a Spammer.
I guess you never heard of a thing called BOT, it wander aimlessly across the blogosphere to advertise something or spreading viruses when you clicked on the links given...
You can put this to stop by installing something(i'm not sure what, they have this feature in wordpress) please google for more :)
Or, you can just simply moderate the comments.
Maaf keluar tajuk sebentar,
Walaubagaimanapun....
Bagi saya, berilah peluang kepada KJ untuk jawatan Ketua Pemuda. Jika masih lagi bermasalah. Humban dia keluar pada PAU yang akan datang. Mudah saja.
Yang penting adalah ahli ahli UMNO untuk bersatu menghadapi rintangan dan cabaran untuk terus memerintah negara untuk tahun tahun yang seterusnya.
Cakap cakap kosong seperti menyogok perwakilan adalah pertuduhan yang sangat serius tanpa bukti, ia boleh dikategorikan sebagai fitnah.
Ya, kita boleh bercakap apa sahaja yang kita mahu, tetapi adakah kebenaran di sebalik tuduhan itu? atau pun sekadar baseless accusations. Wallahualam.
Hanif
Saya pula berpendapat, sekali org telah hilang kepercayaan pada kita, selamanya org tak percaya lagi..
Ini berdasarkan, selama KJ mendapat tempat dalam politik, beliau telah melakukan berbagai perkara yg telah pun sampai ke pengetahun org ramai..
Saya rasa Melayu ni punya sikap yg masih menghormati. Walau pun tak suka dan geram, atau mungkin atas sebab politik juga org tak berani nak hentam. Negara kita belum lagi macam negara2 yg lain yg teramatlah suka memberontak.
Cuma, bila pemilihan nanti bersedialah utk keluar. Org dah tak pangkah, Yg menjadi kehairanan ramai org, mengapa setelah ramai pun tak suka, dia masih ada di situ juga. Ini yg menjadi persoalan.
Mungkin saya patut kata, Marilah kita berbaik sangka dan mengatakan takda unsur2 tak sihat langsung. Ini penting untuk parti dan rakyat. Rakyat patut berbaik sangka. Saya pun setuju.
Tapi, tok, ini pun tak jalan, atas sebab sprt yg saya tuliskan di perenggan pertama. Mesejnya adalah, org mau dia keluar walaupun dibuktikan tidak.
A decision by people is a decision, mereka mau KJ keluar. Mereka tak mau KJ menjadi leader Pemuda.
Kalau tok dan setiakawan bangga dengan Ali Rustam yg memberi sokongan kepada parti dan sanggup menarik diri atas nama setiakawan. Mengapa KJ tidak boleh menurut jejak. Buktikan erti setiakawan itu to those ppl u have preach.
People would appreciate the setiakawan tagline. Berani berubah rite?
Penambahan: Walaupun dibuktikan tidak bersalah. (perenggan 4 yg terakhir)
agree with squat squad. give KJ a chance to prove whether he can do a good jod. we need leadership that benefits the country. we dont need a good person the benefits of which accrue only to him.
the accusations are just that. you ask mukhriz's supporters tentulah they have nothing good to say about KJ.
saya hanya nak tahu- if all these hentam dan kutuk failed to kalahkan KJ semasa pertandingan, bagaimana kutukan ini dapat mengalahkan KJ di luar gelanggang. kecuali kita bukan penyokong UMNO tapi penyokong kabilah dalam UMNO.
Kepada anon 9.29
siapa dia 'people' yang mahu KJ jangan jadi KP? We're back to square 1! Letih betul berlawan dengan engkorang anti-KJs!
MM dah kalah.KT dah kalah! Accept the defeat gracefully lah.KT and MM pun tabur pada pemuda delegates! They are not keramats you know???
I think you guys are still in denial. Why don't you guys look around you,not just in Malaysia but globally.
Time cant wait to allow KJ to grow up. His already taken take time enough. Time does not wait for you guys anymore but you have to catchup and balance yourself with time.
This is the price you have to pay when you are still in denial. No more words to utter to make you understand. Do some soul searching and may The Almighty show you the righ path.
Org yg tak reti nak hormat negeri ni, panggil negara tempat dia tinggal dan cari makan dengan perkataan sial?
Aku cadangkan org sebegini kita tarik kerakyatan nya.
Dato Sak,
Actually the whole system in UMNO are fucked up by everybody there including the Disciplinary Committee.
Siapa yang berkuasa orang itu terlepas dari segala hukuman.
Khairy's misfit in UMNO is nothing compared to DS Najib's affairs.
Disciplinary Committee is just created to hinder certain people to rise and to enhance the chance of the likened ones to rise.
This country is already a fucked up country.
Members of the D Committee are also corrupted and so does everyone.
Please ignore UMNO and don't support that party anymore.
They are just a bunch of uncharacteristic characters and to keep them away, just forget about UMNO.
Please stop this polemics and just think of another party.
My family meeting days ago have decided to leave UMNO and let evryone else does the same.
Najib is the husband of a criminal..do you agree with me?
Tidak, secara perbandingan atau utk pemahaman. Bilamana kita mempunya kedua-dua pilihan yg tak baik atau tak seperti mana yg kita inginkan tapi kita perlu juga membuat pilihan.
Apa yg patut kita renungkan, ialah, antara kedua2 yg tidak baik itu, yg manakah yg kurang sedikit ketidak elokkannya berbanding yg satu lagi.
Inilah pilihan yg kita ada.
Saya tak bersetuju dengan proposal utk memberi guru2 aktif dalam politik.
Kerana zaman skrg tak boleh disamakan dengan dahulu. Sedangkan masalah remaja disekolah juga tak dapat diselesaikan.Inikan pula nak pikir masalah yg lagi besar.
Peranan guru harus di sekolah saja dan selesaikan politik di institusi sekolah.
To Anak Jati Pahang,
Who is preventing you and your keluarga from leaving?
Big bloody deal. Just FO, ok.
Anak Jati Pahang
To Anon 12.44
Would you like to hear anyone accusing you of being married to a whore/prostitute?
I suggest you keep your filthy mean thinking to yourself! Being foul mouth like that stupid commentator who called our Malaysia Malay(sial)
deserves an AK47 straight at the dangling balls!
Hi Dato',
Thinking and believing in irrational points of view is part of the human pscyhe. For example, if one were to conduct a poll in the USA, perhaps 20 million would still believe that Elvis Presly is still alive.
Their arguments are stale, and indeed it must be frustrating to try and win them over, but some of them just do not want to accept it. Truth is, they have been told that the polemics in UMNO is down to KJ and cannot accept anything else. They must be proven right.
We proved them wrong when KJ won after so many had commented that this was a lost cause, KJ was down, ya da ya da. So now, they will react by questioning his victory.
Trying to pin them down is sometimes trying to press down on water. Their positions change, their view completely flexible, they have no backbone.
Fully agreed with Anak Jati Pahang. UMNO, and more widely BN, have long expired their shelf-lives in their current version.
Dato' Sak, please create that new party of competent and uncorrupted leaders and take the very few principled leaders BN has left. I am thinking Shahrir Samad, Ku Li, et al.
We shall see if Anak Jati Pahang and I are wrong if BN wins any of the 7 April PRK. Even one victory should be considered an unexpected surprise. Anyone remembers only a few months back when BN would win ANY PRK?
KJ's elevation is only a sympton of much more deeply rooted didaese that is at the core of UMNO.
If like Dr.M you hypocritically look only at technicality, then you will harp on KJ and question the double standard in dealing with Ali Rustam.
But if you look at substance over form, then half of UMNO including several in the Cabinet will have to go as well.
Does anyone in Malaysia really think that 2M is a trustworthy person fit enough to be a No.2 in UMNO or the future DPM that he should have been nominated for this post?
What about that rAPid lady?
What UMNO needs is a total clean up and revamp. Who will bell the cat?
In the interim KJ is where he is because Dr.M started the Machiavellian style of politics in 1981 and he is the one we should get rid of first!
http://donplaypuks.blogspot.com
Kalau tengok cara komen2 kat sini, UMNO, TDM & KJ dan ahli MT, aku rasa camni mmg la UMNO nak hancur.
Bagus la, kalau ini yg korang hendak. Kurang2 adilnya. Semua melopong tak dapat pangkat.
Cenggini gayanya, aku ingat aku nak pangkah PKR atau PAS...supaya senang PKR dan PAS ni pangkah korang balik...senang hati aku..padan muka semua org...
Ini ke UMNO. tak habis2 rebut jawatan dan salahkan sesama sendiri. Sekarang aku tau kenapa korang kalah PRU12 dan akan kalah lagi pada PRU13.
Ha! Jangan nak salahkan org2 lain..Sila periksa diri sendiri.
Inilah cara yg adil utk UMNO, supaya sedar diri.
Bagus juga, kalau kalah, boleh yg lain2 sebut wenger dan kuncu jadi antara penyebab UMNO gagal meraih undi.
Kepada anon 15.27
cara engko cakap pun aku rasa engko bukan orang Umno pun!Jangan lah nak ekk sangat macam engko tu baik sangat! Podaaah laaa!
Jangan bagi khairy turun padang di tiga2 kawasan tu.. ramai tak suka..
kalau bawak, ada harapan kalah
tak caya tengok rintihan org2 yg berasal dari kawasan tersebut
wenger..hehe boleh masuk guiness book record atau sejarah ni..nama2 org yg frame organisasi nya sendiri akibat terlalu pentingkan diri sendiri (kejar pangkat)dari keinginan org ramai.
Untuk anon 16.15
Tak bagi KJ turun padang? Kalau kalah mesti salah dia?? Sekarang sahlah! KJ ni lebih powerful lagi pemimpin veteran yang lain!Patutlah ramai yang DENGKI nya!!!
Check this out on facebook !
I Bet I Can Find 10,000 People Who Hate Khairy Jamaluddin
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?sid=059da985440f2a35f16ccbf203fda367&gid=26357117448
They've got 8000 plus members already.
AND...
1,000,000 Malaysians WANT Khairy Jamaluddin as the new Ketua Pemuda UMNO
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?sid=059da985440f2a35f16ccbf203fda367&gid=21552571028
has 287 members
AND
I love Khairy Jamaluddin
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?sid=059da985440f2a35f16ccbf203fda367&gid=28507384369
has 20 members!!!
Now that's telling for the youth generation.
(Maybe not as young as DSAI reaching out via friendster and myspace...hahaha )
BTW, mukhriz has got over 3000 "friends"
Terserlah Mukhriz tu lebih gemar main Facebook dari nak berkempen, lepah tu kalah suruh bapak dia tibai KJ.
CeeeeehhhhhH!
apa le ko ni mengarut wenger..
sampai ke situ plak jawapannya?
i do not think its mukhriz yg manage that facebook page.. its his supporters.
takkan la dia nak main facebook. guna lah akal..
kalau dia byk 'friends' pun in facebook, maybe becoz he is popular..
bukannya sbb dia duduk 24/7 depan screen computer tu dan tak berkempen.
please be more mature in commenting. tuduh sana sini ni perangai pembangkang aje.
Dato' Sak
Pls teel KJ & the Gangnot to tunjuk muka kat any of PRK. Otherwise, UMON/BN hancussss !
Pro Bebas
To anon 17.27
Tahupun nak melenting defend MM ye? Asyik menyalahkan KJ saja takpe kan??
Umno kalah by-election, ekonomi jatuh..semua sebab KJ!
So I guess you're talking macam pembangkang then.Glad you've realised that!
Dato
I have congratulated you immediately after the KJ win.
You raised the question of how to defend UMNO in relation to the DB etc. But shouldn't the question be how do we get UMNO to tackle money politics and corruption by the horn? How do we get the political will to do so considering the monstrosity of the problems?
Once we have answers to these questions then UMNO can go to the voters and assure them that UMNO would change, that mmethod of running the Government would change, that the people would be properly looked after. A few commentators have said that they resigned UMNO membership, even voted PR, because of money politics and corruption.
I'm very interested in your views about these Dato. You have considerable insight into the workings of UMNO at HQ, State, Division and Branch levels, you know the extent of money politics and corruption and I believe you are not corrupt. I don't have the close contacts to even know the RM 2,000 and RM5,000 that were mentioned as being used in the recent election. I don't have the analytical mind to sieve out the facts from the fancies, study the statements by leaders, DB and others, pick out the fallacies and point out the truths and half truths and write a piece on how to get the political will, and hope that you would.
If there is no political will to rid money politics and corruption, instead only "melepaskan batuk di tangga", the whole cycle of corrupt practices would appear again and again: inconsistent DB decisions, non-transparent decision making, lack of respect for DB, those with money politics/ corruption complaints standing for elections, those found guilty still elected to important posts, the kind who brought RM2.4 million cash into Australia still hoping to be PM of Malaysia, etc, etc.
I know you have written about reality and perception. I will be very sad if and when Malaysia is not only perceived but known by the entire world as being led by people like Zadari of Pakistan.
Your mention of one member one vote and the doing away with the nomination quota should be repeated and the idea promoted time and again.
I am sad that not many of the commentators speak about money politics and corruption, though some mention them: it gives the impression that money politics and corruption have become the norms of behaviour, the adat resam among Malays.
Your posting about the non-corrupt Pahang MB drew only 6 comments. Nobody writes asking the new President and incoming PM to carry out a campaign against money politics and corruption, especially when the general remarks he made on the subjects didn't appear to match the magnitude of the problems.
I would greatly appreciate it if you would do the piece stated above. I think many others would too.
Terimalah rakyat semua dah tak suka KJ dengan sebab2 mereka tersendiri.
Melayu berubah! Berubah persepsi - skrg kalau khairy datang - memang pulun kalah.
Sebab org tak suka tengok muka dia. Deyy macha tarak faham ka
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