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Wednesday, 11 August 2010

Walla’s response on why remain in UMNO.

I want every UMNO member who can think to read this wonderful riposte from a commentator whom I have known since I started blogging. This is the kind of thinking and reasoning deserving the highest of respects. Read what Walla has to say in response to my last article, why remain in UMNO.


 

The challenge is how to represent one's race and yet not end up being racialist.

It's a thin line. Too many times that line was crossed. And it was crossed mainly by those inside Umno which then attracted similar response by others. Umno first, others only in response.

The rakyat have become tired of that. They are tired of being forced to be racialist. They are tired of the politics and the lies and the denials, they are tired of the commissions and the omissions, they are tired of waking up to find yet another package of spin at their doorsteps, another bill in their mailbox, another scandal on the front page, another theft in the corridor of power that overwhelms in size and severity those on the streets that they walk in trepidation of their lives while the government under Umno plants more cctv's paid with taxpayers money in its over-priced and under-populated federal administrative enclave than in the places where the real rakyat live.

The rakyat are tired and angry that the end of their days will be bleak. They are equally tired and angry that the beginning of the days of their young will be even bleaker.

Meanwhile, to greet them with such bad prospects, they have been asked to change their lifestyle when costs have gone up but incomes have gone down in an economy that has shrunk in its ability to remain relevant to the world.

They are asked to be more productive by using their knowledge and skills but none of it can be applied because political leaders and little napoleons have wrought havoc with the education system from the way and things taught to the way and things issued.

The very people whose mindsets must first change are trying to change the minds of those who are telling them to change their mindsets. How corny can one get?

It must therefore be to the credit of the rakyat that although tired of politics, they have bounced back on their own to their natural selves. They have on their own said no to extremism and chauvinism. They have gone back to the core values and behavior that had defined the original spirit of this country. The centre that defines what being a Malaysian truly means.

Pas and DAP have moved to the centre. And ever since they have moved towards moderation, they have discovered that they are more comfortable with the new position - because it reflects the inner nature of Malaysians - to be practical and to be fair. They have found that they have lost nothing. By some magic, they have found that their own manifesto's have instead been enhanced.

And the rakyat who are Malays have found again their good nature and sense of fairness. They have found that they really don't lose anything by being accommodative to others, by not playing the zero-sum game, by caring for others as they want others to care for them.

After all, what rights and privileges have they lost in the Opposition states that they had gained, if any, in the Proposition states? Except for the cronies and the elites of Umno, how can one lose what one never had?

And because the Malays themselves have pierced the veil that sought to cover-up the sandiwara's and the ponzi schemes, likewise the others.

It's a tectonic shift by the masses away from trying to defend their rights along racial grounds to trying to defend their rights by muhibbah. Incidentally, that's a term coined by Barisan but lost in the wilderness of its own political machinations.

And the rakyat have found that when they defend their rights by muhibbah, all rights automatically fall into the domain of being pragmatic about things which in turn sustains more capability to benefit from better policies and actions which in turn serves the enterprise to in turn serve the dispossessed and the needy - in this country which fifty years of so-called nation-building under Barisan had only ended up creating the biggest income disparity in the whole of Asia.


The future belong to our young. But what have we bequeathed them under Barisan?

Thirty-four percent of the rakyat earn less than seven hundred ringgit, below the poverty line of seven hundred and twenty ringgit. But how can even RM720 be considered a reasonable sum today to define livable standard? If the poverty line is more realistically raised to RM1,200, then even more rakyat will fall into the poverty group. The official situation is thus spin and nothing but an artful artificial construct to try and pull wool over the eyes of the rakyat. As if that can ever be of any real comfort.

You know that's true because the insolvency department says one hundred and ninety six thousand Malaysians are insolvent. A small number on percentage basis? What about those thousands who are insolvent and running from private financiers, the ones who smear red paint on their doors?

When people say Umno, who do they think of? They think of Toyo, hero of the anti-sand theft. Is he doing it to cover-up his own past or to guarantee there be enough sand to build the extension to his mansion? What has he done when he was MB in the tradition of the past Umno MBs of Selangor? Win a hundred thousand ringgit wristwatch? Go to Florida to study canal management? Denude another hill? Launder money? Screw a relative? May 13, perhaps?

When people say Umno, who do they think of? They think of Taib. How will he explain his wealth overseas on the salary he gets as CM of Sarawak? From the japanese timber buyers who had to pay to the timber cronies whose staff defiled the Penans whose development has to be associated with his plans or else they will suffer him calling them orang-utans?

When people say Umno, who do they think of? They think of Thamby Chik, exonerated by the court over and above a DAP politician who went to jail for bringing up the matter in defense of an underaged Malay girl who finally had to be rescued by the grandmother.

When people say Umno, who do they think of? Megat Junid of Project M infamy? Adam Adib of Mindef procurements? Harun Idris, Umno Youth's Suhaimi, Ahmad Ismail, Ibrahim Ali the mouth, Rahman Yaacob MOE DG who unilaterally changed main medium of instruction to sole medium of instruction? The Ezam's and others who kiss the prince of storyland and perhaps the Umno treasurer? Or could it possibly be our own Placido Domingo himself, patron to Shahrizat for the two hundred and fifty million cow farm project for her husband, and tenderizer of Desaru investors? Or perhaps it's really the twenty two Umno branches who filed police reports against the Opposition for suggesting that the seven percent discount be canceled for properties that would be only afforded by those already rich enough to buy Porsche SUVs so that the discounts can instead be given to poor Malays, and weren't they prodded on by two Umno leaders, one using the word 'rights' in addition to 'privileges', as if doing so would make it more legal tender than what the Constitution assigns if in the first place that instrument even stoops to mention a discount? What is this country built on? A help-you-help-me with your money jomheboh?

This comment box is too small for all of them.

Name one, single, unitary, identifiable, thing, that Umno has done for the nation which doesn't have debatable positive result.

Felda? Sued by the settlers themselves. Sime? Underbidded until twice bitten but still not shy. Taking Perak against the better judgment of the rakyat? Bakun Dam? Angkasawan and Petronas Sauber? Buying F18's that can't fire? Losing islands despite large arbitration fees? Crooked bridges? Collapsing roofs and arches? Phallic symbols of progress? Overpriced DIY and parliamentary hardware? Or a three hundred million ringgit dam in a place without water?

Are there more? This comment box is too small for all of them.

Read Shafee Yahya's book to get an insight of how it really has been by those who had used the name of Umno to immortalize themselves only to deal Malaysia a mortal blow.

People have repeated that under Umno, a hundred billion had been blown. It's not a hundred billion ringgit. The analysts concerned had written it was a hundred billion US dollars.

Now with Malaysia to be a net oil importer by next year and a net gas importer in five years time, where is the Government under Umno to find the money to satisfy the horny callings of Ibrahim Ali of Perkasa and Mahathir Mohamad of The Loaf in order to deliver the 'rights and privileges' so guaranteed by Umno to the Malays when if you go to PJTC's JHDN, you will only find one race as customers at the counter paying taxes and that's the race those leaders are lambasting to make innocent Malay folks think it's still alright to pretend that the other races are the cause of their miseries? Would that also explain why Umno youths still fly to London to rah-rah the Malay scholars that they must always remember the special position of the Malays - despite the 1Malaysia calling of the seventy five million ringgit PR program by the President of Umno? Is it now where Biro Tatacara fails, Umno Youth must succeed in the interest of 1Malaysia to give way to 2Malay?

So, is Malaysia a failed democracy? Only half-right, here. Failed, yes. Democracy? What does anyone think anymore? Isn't this country the only one where one has to bring torch lights to a polling station because, sure enough, there will be an officialized power failure during vote counting? You know that has a ring of truth to it for how else can one explain why the Barisan Sibu candidate declined a recount on such a close call - because he saw the same method applied as in Hulu Selangor? You know that ring grows to a bellow when all of a sudden there is an anti-ISA group. Since when do the rakyat suddenly believe so strongly for imprisonment without trial that our blues can turn an eye from them but nab people who hold candle virgils? Because they know power failures are fakes?

So, is Malaysia even a democracy when there is a fatal MO in its political governance where a political party can assume supremacy over the operational interpretation of constitutional clauses in such a way as to reinforce its own position through divisive policies, by which method it can spice up its airs with shitx3 juxtaposed with racistx8? So how is it that under Umno, we have to ask whether Malaysia is a failed democracy? Because we have reason to doubt the integrity of our judiciary and enforcement institutions? Because corporate and public governance shaped by Umno is a benchmark of excellence? Because this nation still has plenty of time and resources to print money to avert financial collapse, failing which to gerrymander the election system to win yet another five years of political triumph? Because politicians can look themselves in the mirror at the end of every day and grin their grins instead of grimace their grimaces, for the tingling sensation from hearing their retirement cash registers ringing?

Shall we all have to ask our AG for answers?

Perhaps then the rakyat can finally understand how is it that the fate of this nation is now gloriously dependent on whether a college dropout has been anally assaulted.

correction:
'anti anti-ISA'And nice to have the ol' ye-faithfuls around. What have they done to stop the thirty years of squandering and plundering, suppressing and depressing?

This kind of argument is breathtaking.

95 comments:

Anonymous,  11 August 2010 at 08:06  

Oh yeah right on! Plus plus don't forget to mention where else but in UMNO, a 28 year old can become super duper rich poltician cos he has a PM as a father in-law! Hahhh

Anonymous,  11 August 2010 at 08:07  

Ramadan Al-Mubarak
Good and articulate argument. A good piece for first day of this holy month and the message is lound and clear: Corruption and greed will destroyed any soul.

Dr. FK

HAKIMAN,  11 August 2010 at 08:12  

Dato Sak

I agree with you 200% with regard to "Walla"'s response to your postings. It resonotes me and with the majority of decent minded Malaysians.

We had enough of more than 50 years of racist and racialist upmanship through our race-based political parties.

We need to mature beyond because that is the yardstick of today to become a civilised society in the modern world.

UK once had a Pakistani-British who captained the English cricket team and an African-Australian who captained the Australian rugby team.

Time to move on and away from underpinning race as a basis for any talk about the national economy.

We need not only to catch up with the first world nation of the west, we need to catch up with our little neighbour down south which have moved forward in leaps and bounds, without leaving behind the Malay minority living there.

Why is UMNO and its Chinese and Indian counterparts so hung up about their race. This nation can only progress if the Malays, Chinese and Indians stand shoulder to shoulder... as our founding fathers from the Malay, Chinese and Indian communities fought for independence by negotiating at the table and some like Chin Peng and Abdullah CD who were living to put their lives on harm's way in the jungle to fight the British for our Merdeka.

Unfortunately, people like Quiet Despair, Alumni PASTI and Shamsul Anuar don't understand or believe that . Their mindset is still locked in the 60s, always fearing and afraid of others and spreading the Melayu Akan Hilang di dunia nonsense.

As you, Dato, have said rightly, UMNO can only reform if the scumbags among the UMNO-lovers are removed. These are the samples to start with for the road to UMNO to take to reform itself .

Without these scumbags, only then UMNO can bring itself back to the days when UMNO leaers stood together with leaders of other races to make Malaysia a self-respecting nation in the eyes of the world.

Anonymous,  11 August 2010 at 08:38  

UMNO have changed from championing Malay rights to a party ;brandishing the keris of Malay Rights for a much narrower group of UMNOPUTRAs.

Maybe its TDM's policy of creating the 10 Bumiputra billionaires that started the whole process.Or,maybe its merely a reflection of the passage of time as a more educated Malay group is soaked in consumerism.

But,nett result is UMNO have lost its stripes.

The NEP failed not because of the Malays...please do not be brainwashed to think otherwise.It failed because it was hijacked by UMNO for their own purpose.

Ask any genuine Bumiputra non-UMNO entrepreneur & they can tell you the horror stories.They will tell you about officers asking him for his "UMNO Card" or else his bid ( in an open tender)gets thrown out.He can also tell you about his lease not being extended cos an UMNO Datin wants to take over his restaurant.He can tell you about fighting for small contracts whereas his UMNO Branch leader gets a multi million contract;even though he has zero experience.He can tell you about a 5 month wait to get an appointment to see a KSU.

And,its especially harder when one is principled and not ready to do some "greasing" to get things done.

So..Mr Walla..your arguments are nice & pretty but you have,as usual,assumed that NEP failed because of Malays.

Learn a bit more about affirmative programmes.

Anonymous,  11 August 2010 at 09:18  

AK47,
I wonder if you believe in yourself or in what you write? You do think aloud. Very loud indeed.

1. Let me tell you why you remain in UMNO.
Not that you love the party. You are afraid to leave. The day you leave the UMNO, you and your family will be hounded by UMNO. You might get a visit from the taxman or from the MACC. Your records may be clean but they will harass you. Or you may have some skeletons in the closet.
So it's safer to remain in UMNO.

2. OK. You want to change UMNO for the better. What have you done thus far except to use your blog to point out UMNO failures? It's all talk and no action. An armchair critic.
Any politician worth his salt will mobilize his followers to bring about change. What have you done? I wonder if you have the wherewithal to even transform your own UMNO division! Nay your branch!

3. Good men in UMNO? Who are they? Tengku Razaleigh? What has he done except to do what you are doing. He could not even get a seconder for the UMNO presidency nomination.

4. If Ibrahim Ali can set up Perkasa and behave like a lunatic and get recognition, why can't you set up a group of the so-called 'good men of UMNO' to win your adherents and change UMNO?
You dare not. For if you do, you will get visits from the SB. Neither will your group be allowed to be registered as an NGO and given any expose in the media.

The most you can go is to bark at the moon.

Like Ezam you too are clairvoyant - foresee the failures of Pakatan and Anwar.

You are one who writes with blinkers and lots of prejudice and convoluted logic when it comes to Pakatan and Anwar.

sakmongkol AK47 11 August 2010 at 09:32  

anon 09:18

this is the typical counter argument that doesn't offer any reasoned thinking other than asking what have you done or not done. you have nothing to say other than attacking the personal credibility of others to hide your own couched potato exisetnce.

you mean, you must know and approve, then what we do qualify as doing something beyond being arm chair critics?

dheepan 11 August 2010 at 09:32  

Nicely put thought. I wish to read more of his opinion works.

Anonymous,  11 August 2010 at 09:43  

one question - is walla male or female?

Anonymous,  11 August 2010 at 10:08  

Sak!
Admittedly , Walla has written a gem and truthfully of what is happening in the people's thought of Umno.
There are two types of malay muslims in Malaysia and the ones under Umno feels its a class above others to accept corruption their birth right!They can do no wrong and ai'nt ashame in the eyes of GOD!

Richard Cranium 11 August 2010 at 10:12  

Sir, not many of us can write as eloquently as walla or yourself.

I do wonder, though, if the Umno fanboys in this blog have the gumption to likewise respond in a reasoned manner, without resorting to being bellicose and name-calling?

Like Walla said "Umno first, others only in response."

But in some convoluted sense of reasoning, Umno tell us its numerical strength is a weakness.

Alumni PASTI,  11 August 2010 at 10:15  

Walla,

Gestalt theory says "a whole is different from the sum of its total". How true.

They way I see your reasoning about UMNO's poor performance of ruling this country, looks and sound convincing, because you're looking at "the sum of it's total."

Why don't you look at "the whole". Perhaps you'll see a different picture altogether. Look at Malaysia, look at the Malays, in `the whole' view perspective are much better that what you've painted. Compare the standards of living of the Malays before the NEP and after NEP, are they better-off or worse-off. Please look at `the whole' not pick and choose or being anecdotal about incidences your feel would strenghtened you case. Be objective.

Look at Malaysia, again from `the whole' perspective (not the sum of it's total perspective), how are we doing. We are able to maintain our a respectable growth rate. Of course there are times that our economy are down. But where on Earth (not sure about other 7 planets, remember one has been plutoed), even Greece known to have the most intelligent people is on the verge of bankcruptcy. Is Greece controlled by UMNO/Malays. The point is, any economy can have ups and downs, nothing to do with Malays/UMNO. Don't be confused by the DAP/Chinese propaganda. Compare us with the Phillipines, Indonesia, Thailand, Vietnam, and we can see where Malaysia (from the whole perspective) stands. Yes, I intentionally left out Singapore. I'll come to back to this later....

Anonymous,  11 August 2010 at 10:18  

Sample piece of arguements that put us all Malaysian in a quaqmire. Our politicians and their wealth they plundered without consideration of the people who gave them the oppportunities to lead. They had taken us for granted. we shall give them a respite soon, when no more to be plundered, until the people saving for old age is not spared

Anonymous,  11 August 2010 at 10:23  

Astounding piece.

Just waiting for Quiet Despair to refute the message here. Hopefully this time, unlike practically all other times, substantiate with facts,not out of thin air - "DAP is against Malays kind"

Walla stated with facts everyone concurs.

We respect your desire to still in UMNO for one can better that rotten organisation from within. They are too arrogant after all the years of BTN kind of rubbish- but now practised by little Napoleans everywhere. From national schools to GLCs.

That is why I have posted here, even if Pakatan takes over, it would take decades to undo. We WILL have to go through a period of "Phillipines kind of status" before rising again.

The exodus continues and will continue as the evil spiral comes into full swing downwards. When good talents and capital take flight overseas, GOOD jobs would be few. Even good Malays would not return... for jobs that pays a fraction.

Just harping "1MALAYSIA!" is not going to stop this spiral...(well that is the only thing they know - NATO -No Action Talk Only).

Meanwhile, we should look into all options. How best to take care of ourselves. Look global for our survival.

Here, i have personally faced many Little Napoleans so much so, I have literally given up doing any business with the government.

I am look for overseas markets now. After all Malaysia is just a small country relative to the world in this Internet AGE unlike our grandfathers' time where the country is all they can see or do.

Let Ibrahim Alis yap all he wants. We just act with our feet and do the right things for the future of our children.

I will not live to see the day Malaysia be one of the developed nations. Vision 2020 from the onset announced was a fraud anyway.

Not in my lifetime. Today we look after ourselves. Just as our DPM is a Malay first Malaysian second. To me I say "I" first above all else (race, country and whats not).

Cheers to all.

Anonymous,  11 August 2010 at 10:46  

Alumni PASTI aka Quietly Despair,

‘Gestalt theory says "a whole is different from the sum of its total"’

Wrong!

‘Gestalt theory says "a whole is different from the sum of its INDIVIDUAL parts"

So u r doing book comment surfing! What a spurious trained Colombo scholar (or more likely uplifted FLCE?).

But then what can one expect when a hard-cored bigot sing the old tune of zero-sum game, again & again? He lost sight about where he is leading too!

‘Compare us with the Phillipines, Indonesia, Thailand, Vietnam, and we can see where Malaysia (from the whole perspective) stands.’

Why compare downwards, no upwards onto the top of the list like Norway, Sweden etc etc?

Oh..oooh, maru-lah. takdek sunstance to do that.

Oh...oh, u come from that same school of we r better than Ghana, even though both get independence at the same time!

Dying to read yr ‘analysis’ for that red dot……

I’m thinking of funding yr mirror as a HR contribution to yr ‘enlightenment’.

Pariah nthX!

aminy 11 August 2010 at 11:05  

Yess..breathtaking! Spot on! Walla's thoughts are exactly what's in most man on the streets thinks of. But it is so frustrating that after so many years, it looks likes nothing much can be done about it..

yum,  11 August 2010 at 12:19  

Alumni PASTI

"How many holy words you read, however any you speak, what good will they do you if you do not act on them?" Buddha

Anonymous,  11 August 2010 at 12:20  

Alumini Pasti...

Cant help laughing when you wrote...

"Compare to the Malays
Look at Malaysia, look at the Malays, in `the whole' view perspective are much better that what you've painted. Compare the standards of living of the Malays before the NEP and after NEP, are they better-off or worse-off. Please look at `the whole' not pick and choose or being anecdotal about incidences your feel would strenghtened you case. Be objective."


This itself shows your lack of knowledge to what actually has happened.

Are you to tell me that if there is no NEP but rather helping the poor on needs basis that Malays today will still be backward?

You must be joking or really do not know what is going on.

NOW assuming there has been no NEP. All the billions instead of going all these years to cronies and corruption, goes to the needy (majority Malays), the nation, the growth of busineses generating tons of new jobs (it does not matter who owns it - be it Chinese, Malay or foreigners etc) and compete with Singapore.

Do you think Singapore has a Bl---y chance to compete with Malaysia endowed with equally enterprising business community? I can tell you many Malaysian businessmen went to Singapore to start their business. I know because I was in the midst among my friends in the 80s.

Malays could have learnt from the Chinese ways of doing businesses just like the Malays in Singapore.

Our GDP today would have surpassed Singapore's US 37,000 per year instead of our US8,000 a year we are having.

The average Malays would have had a country we called "developed". Instead what have you got? "going bankcrupt".

A near bankcrupt or going to bankcrupt country having GDP a fraction of what Singapore has.

Other nations way below us has progressed to surpassing us .. and these happened immediately after NEP started if you have not noticed.

You instead start to compare the old days of the 60s while forgetting this is 21st century.


Right in this 21st Century, tell us ONE GOOD business (other than Ramli burgers - I like it)that are well known in the market? How many global brands do you have relative to Singapore?

Most International Malaysian brands are still non Malay brand that even a shoe maker became world renown and recently a poor Chinese boy won the prize for Medical discover .. his name Swee Tan(google that).

So you said you are better off or rather miss THE ONLY opportunity for Malays to have a country they called their own... a developed country?

You missed this chance..

Well one never knows what he/she lost when she/he does not have it anyway.

Alumni PASTI,  11 August 2010 at 12:33  

Pariah nthX!

Wrong!

Wow, your exclamation mark is really intimidating, especially coming from a PARIAH!

Your are wrong too! Yes, i wrongly type "total" instead of "part" BUT There's no "INDIVIDUAL" in Gestalt original preposition! Remember Max Weithermer is a German, read the original German language, if you want to argue.

But, that's a small issue. You got the message. Why the shout. If you disagree, state your point rationally, without having to rave and rage like a baboon.

I know you're a pariah, but there are many rasional pariah.

"Oh..oooh, maru-lah. takdek sunstance to do that."
What's this for an intelligent racist like you? I've checked in the oldest Oxford Dictionary but can't find, what the heck they are. Or was it Japanese, Tamil, or what huh? May be I need google translator. Or is it coming from a confused soul and identify.

Let's stop this racial slur and name calling. I'm giving my perspective of looking at things around us using Gestalt Theory. You disagree with that, fine, but why get mad.

It's just goes to confirm that PR goons are not people of enough intelligent to engage in a meaningful dicussion. This is the result of mental pollution created by Anwar through his hateful rhetorics. I wonder whether anti-UMNO supporters really think highly of him or are taking advantage of his ability to spew hatred and divisive sentiments.

By the way, what's this associating me with Quiet Despair and Colombo Scholar. I do not know from adam who the hell is Quiet Despair.

But again, this is the mentality of people like PARIAH and the kind, and to use Demi Negara's word "Barang Rosak". Yes, after 52 years, grant the immigrants with citizenship, and this is what the People of the Land, Melayu and Bumiputera get in return, Barang Rosak. If only we can turn back the clock, I believe no Malays would have agreed to that clause in our Constitution.

Anonymous,  11 August 2010 at 13:20  

Dear Dato AK47,

I appreciate your championing of reasoned discourse and I think this is the kind of engagement our leaders (PM and DPM especially) ought to embrace and promote because they stamp the brand of politics their subordinates bring to the fore. We have seen how wannabe leaders translate our leaders’ tacit endorsement of racialism and happily fanned them into a potentially-threatening fires - think cow-head marchers and the many vile remarks that have spewed out of the mouths Ib Ali and his cohort of blurry minded followers.

About Walla's response. That you put it up reflects your intellectual fairness, as well as your desire to see UMNO take true supremacy again. A quixotic wish, no?

Coz what escapes me still is this. Within that cauldron of vile stew will your voice be heard? Wouldn't it be louder if you sat by the fire looking in? At least you have the freedom of choice - pour water over the fire or stir what's inside the cauldron?
It is not abandoning ship, for UMNO still has a long life. All the money it has can ensure that!

But without democracy which is in its dying throes changing things from within UMNO is almost impossible. Meanwhile Malaysia dies a lingering death; a brilliant prodigy led astray now eking a desperate living on erstwhile endowments.

Can a few good men impact real change from within when incumbents jealously guard their domain? There is just too much at stake. So they desperately hold on to what is as they have a finger in every pie. They won’t let you into the kitchen!

All the institutions of governance seem geared towards protecting those few incumbents whose interests seem to override the needs of the population at large.

I also lament the position taken by YM Tengku Razaleigh. The two of you I know, through your blogs, are good men of UMNO. I am sure there are thousands more. We, the small rakyat have too small a voice. Our squeaks are hardly heard. Doing it through the channels outside BN is our only hope. It may take time, because we are handicapped, but that is the only way. FRU or cockeyed judges notwithstanding, we will march on for change.

I do really wonder will the real good men of UMNO and BN rise up and bring back to Malaysia the glory that she was once worthy of being bequeathed?

I am sure my question is far from original. Like many who are non-hardcore followers of political parties, I am curious how you and Tengku and many more who are sensible patriots think they can to do it. The rotten organisation is beyond redemption. Now unlike a sinking ship it is, but the difference here is the caption is not the kind that would go down with the ship. He’s got a lifeboat that is big enough to sail the seven seas.

I am just lamenting the fact that you and Tengku and the rest of the good men may be living out the fantasy akin to that of the crazy knight Miguel de Cervantes created.

Or will you and like-minded individuals be the third force we can depend on? That’ll be a good alternative too.

Anonymous,  11 August 2010 at 13:21  

Dear Dato AK47,

I appreciate your championing of reasoned discourse and I think this is the kind of engagement our leaders (PM and DPM especially) ought to embrace and promote because they stamp the brand of politics their subordinates bring to the fore. We have seen how wannabe leaders translate our leaders’ tacit endorsement of racialism and happily fanned them into a potentially-threatening fires - think cow-head marchers and the many vile remarks that have spewed out of the mouths Ib Ali and his cohort of blurry minded followers.

About Walla's response. That you put it up reflects your intellectual fairness, as well as your desire to see UMNO take true supremacy again. A quixotic wish, no?

Coz what escapes me still is this. Within that cauldron of vile stew will your voice be heard? Wouldn't it be louder if you sat by the fire looking in? At least you have the freedom of choice - pour water over the fire or stir what's inside the cauldron?
It is not abandoning ship, for UMNO still has a long life. All the money it has can ensure that!

But without democracy which is in its dying throes changing things from within UMNO is almost impossible. Meanwhile Malaysia dies a lingering death; a brilliant prodigy led astray now eking a desperate living on erstwhile endowments.

Can a few good men impact real change from within when incumbents jealously guard their domain? There is just too much at stake. So they desperately hold on to what is as they have a finger in every pie. They won’t let you into the kitchen!

All the institutions of governance seem geared towards protecting those few incumbents whose interests seem to override the needs of the population at large.

I also lament the position taken by YM Tengku Razaleigh. The two of you I know, through your blogs, are good men of UMNO. I am sure there are thousands more. We, the small rakyat have too small a voice. Our squeaks are hardly heard. Doing it through the channels outside BN is our only hope. It may take time, because we are handicapped, but that is the only way. FRU or cockeyed judges notwithstanding, we will march on for change.

I do really wonder will the real good men of UMNO and BN rise up and bring back to Malaysia the glory that she was once worthy of being bequeathed?

I am sure my question is far from original. Like many who are non-hardcore followers of political parties, I am curious how you and Tengku and many more who are sensible patriots think they can to do it. The rotten organisation is beyond redemption. Now unlike a sinking ship it is, but the difference here is the caption is not the kind that would go down with the ship. He’s got a lifeboat that is big enough to sail the seven seas.

I am just lamenting the fact that you and Tengku and the rest of the good men may be living out the fantasy akin to that of the crazy knight Miguel de Cervantes created.

Or will you and like-minded individuals be the third force we can depend on? That’ll be a good alternative too.

schenker78 11 August 2010 at 13:46  

classic example sak,

utusan , mudin yassin , umno penang saying DAP dan Lim Guan Eng anti Melayu....kononnya Lim Guan Eng tak bagi buka Ramadan Bazaar stalls in KOMTAR?? LGE would not have known about the problem until after is has been caused by UMNO snakes....since when a CM take care of small issues, then whats the use of exco, the state gov leaders, makan gaji buta ke? Do you ppl really think LGE is micro managing all issues including when your jamban tersumbat....pls laa....

Do you think really this chinese minorities from DAP so brave n stupid to push down the majority malays even for the stalls??? This are either sabotage from the malay staffs in PDC and Komtar or just make an issue out of nothing...

the so called deposit payment for the stalls where the money have not received or so called mis-communication is told by the malay PDC guy...so is he working to sabotage PR in Penang so malays hate PR or he himself is a victim of UMNO power play...

Anonymous,  11 August 2010 at 13:54  

To all the so called UMNO supporters like SAK who claimed that they want to change UMNO, my answer to them is poorahhhhh....

Tell me la SAK while being an ADUN before you did not make money indirectly through various means? Please la don't tell me you have serve you community well, bla bla bla! Politicians are all the same whether they are from UMNO or opposition. Once you are in power you forgot who put you there and will justify whatever corrupted practice you have done. Look at Selangor now under opposition, there are cases of corruption everywhere.

So, readers of this blog do not be disillusioned by the fancy words used by the so called UMNO liberals or opposition goons because they all can talk only but when in comes to action they are all the same. NOTHING!!

Seg Son,  11 August 2010 at 13:57  

Dato,

Why do I get the feeling that Walla is your alter ego playing Trilby to your Svengali or is it the other way around ?

Or perhaps it your goodself playing the Devil's Advocate with one self ?

An avid follower from Vietnam .


Regards


Seg Son

ServiceB4Self,  11 August 2010 at 13:59  

Walla’s statement is as though only CCTV placed in the entire country is in Putrajaya – what about KL – 217, MBPJ – 95, MPSJ – 38 and over 3,258 over the entire country. Spending is only RM2.2m for Putrajaya but RM344m for the entire country. Walla is an opposition clone of MSM, just telling half truth and thus leading all readers to a lie. It is the government under UMNO that is responding to the rakyat demands for better security, what better way to increase surveillance capabilities without increasing the manpower requirements by using CCTV

Comment as to shrinking income and diminishing values seems to tie to Walla’s diatribe that it is the cause of the government led by UMNO. The last I checked the people of US and UK are also facing the same problem, their economy is down and similarly their opposition parties accused the ruling party being the cause of their worsening economy. In our case it is the global economy that is the problem and the fact that we did not face a worse impact was because of the Government led by UMNO has put into place greater safeguards since the DSAI’s financial wizardry/fiasco of 1997 (I can still remember the effect of the hike in the interest rate proposed by DSAI practically wiped out my disposable income. It makes me even angrier to learn that DSAI did that as a means to remove TDM).

ServiceB4Self,  11 August 2010 at 14:00  

Walla must have been educated overseas or during the pre independence British schooling system to condemn our education system. I was educated under the Malaysian system from primary till tertiary level. I agree that many things that I have learnt may not be applicable but what I truly realized was not the knowledge that was taught but the discipline of acquiring and applying knowledge that was more important that was passed to me by my teachers and tutors. I see no fault in our education system for the inability of 95% of the students not truly appreciating the purpose of our education. It is the pressure by the parents of these students for all important 10A+ that drives our children to rote learning and not absorbing the discipline of gathering, applying and expanding knowledge. Is it the fault of the government led by UMNO? Is it the fault of the Government that so many of our people are highly regarded overseas and thus are employable all around the world?

Pas and DAP’s motive to move to the centre should be carefully studied. Is it because it is consistent with their core values or is it for purposes of political expediency? Has Pas given up its dream to have Malaysia as an Islamic State? Has Pas changed their view that any muslim party that collaborate with non muslim parties are considered as kafir? Has DAP given up on having a country where there are no discrimination between the races and thus the privileges granted to the Malays under Article 152 should be extinguished? I have not heard either of these parties formally abandoning these fatwas or core struggle that colours their policies.

Walla oh Walla, you suggest that the rakyat has not lost anything in the opposition states. What about the difficulty faced by the bumiputera developers and contractors in Penang – the persistent stop work order. The unilateral termination of contracts by the CM. What about the indirect cost borne by the rakyat due to the increased price of sand in the State of Selangor? What about granting monopoly to only one company? You suggest that the rakyat is accommodative and therefore BN/UMNO is not accommodative. You fail to realize that UMNO has always been accommodative to other races – UMNO has and will continue to support nominating candidates from other non Malay parties notwithstanding such constituencies may have Malay voters representing the majority. It is BN that also guarantees that every party within the coalition that will have at least one representative in the cabinet notwithstanding the size of the party or whether it has sufficient MPs in the Parliament. It has been also UMNO that has been actively campaigning for BN in any GE or By Election regardless of the race or religion of the BN candidate. It is UMNO members good nature, sense of fairness and keeping to one’s words that makes this possible. This is the very sense of Muhibbah that permeates between the coalition parties of BN. My question does PR provide the same guarantee to all the races?

ServiceB4Self,  11 August 2010 at 14:03  

Pas and DAP’s motive to move to the centre should be carefully studied. Is it because it is consistent with their core values or is it for purposes of political expediency? Has Pas given up its dream to have Malaysia as an Islamic State? Has Pas changed their view that any muslim party that collaborate with non muslim parties are considered as kafir? Has DAP given up on having a country where there are no discrimination between the races and thus the privileges granted to the Malays under Article 152 should be extinguished? I have not heard either of these parties formally abandoning these fatwas or core struggle that colours their policies.

Walla oh Walla, you suggest that the rakyat has not lost anything in the opposition states. What about the difficulty faced by the bumiputera developers and contractors in Penang – the persistent stop work order. The unilateral termination of contracts by the CM. What about the indirect cost borne by the rakyat due to the increased price of sand in the State of Selangor? What about granting monopoly to only one company? You suggest that the rakyat is accommodative and therefore BN/UMNO is not accommodative. You fail to realize that UMNO has always been accommodative to other races – UMNO has and will continue to support nominating candidates from other non Malay parties notwithstanding such constituencies may have Malay voters representing the majority. It is BN that also guarantees that every party within the coalition that will have at least one representative in the cabinet notwithstanding the size of the party or whether it has sufficient MPs in the Parliament. It has been also UMNO that has been actively campaigning for BN in any GE or By Election regardless of the race or religion of the BN candidate. It is UMNO members good nature, sense of fairness and keeping to one’s words that makes this possible. This is the very sense of Muhibbah that permeates between the coalition parties of BN. My question does PR provide the same guarantee to all the races?

ServiceB4Self,  11 August 2010 at 14:04  

Surely one jest to state that the masses have moved away from defending their rights along racial grounds. Why then DAP, PAS and PKR have not called to abolish vernacular schools and instead to replace it with a single school system. What about pushing for legislation to make it illegal for persons or companies to employ their employees from a particular race only. Walla oh Walla, surely you jest.

I can’t agree that Malaysia under Barisan has created the biggest income disparity in the whole of Asia as suggested by Walla, surely Singapore with a Gini index of 48.1 has bigger income disparity than Malaysia’s 46.1. What about Hong Kong – 53.3, Sri Lanka – 49? (This index measures the degree of inequality in the distribution of family income in a country). In fact under the government led by BN/UMNO the income ratio between Chinese to Bumiputera has drop from 2.29 (1970) to 1.74 (1999); Chinese to Indian from 1.32 (1970) to 1.28 (1999). Walla oh Walla, surely you jest.

Walla you suggested 34% of our population is earning below RM720 per month. If you mean the average earning for each individual (Is the statistic for working individuals or it includes those have not entered the work force?), that would mean a household of two working adults and 3 children would earn RM1,440 per month? You didn’t clarify. From what I’ve read, it would seem you were trying to be the opposition equivalent of the MSM again, half truth (in this particular case, literally half) to support the lies you are trying to suggest. From what I’ve read, the actual figure in 2008 is 8.4% household has an income below RM1,000 a month, with 29.4% having an income between RM1,000 – RM2,000, 19.8% between RM2,001-RM3,000, 12.9% between RM3,001 and RM4,000, 8.6% between RM4,001 and RM5,000, 15.8% between RM5,001 and RM10,000 and 4.9% above RM10,001. This was reported in the hansard in the Parliament if you care to check.

ServiceB4Self,  11 August 2010 at 14:06  

Walla you have asked one single thing that the Government led by UMNO has done which is not debatable as to the positive result. The Government led by UMNO has provided sufficient schools and universities and also the provision of scholarship and loan that has enable the Malays to uplift themselves and thus over a period of 40 years creating more middle and upper income Malays as compared to the 100 years prior to that, and as such having more thinking Malays, now that support the opposition. Ironic but not debatable as to the positive result (on both side of the political divide)!

Yup hundreds of billion US dollars blown on the 900km highway that span the Peninsular Malaysia and the countless other highways in the country, the multitude of hospitals and schools that dotted the entire country, the public infrastructure that we have from ports, rails, airports and not to mention the water and electricity and of course internet access provided to everyone in the country. Of course, the hundred billion US dollars spent is nothing compared to the RM15million tax payers money spent by a PR state to for some political parties propaganda campaign. Walla oh Walla surely you jest.

I am starting to doubt the seriousness of raising ISA as a political issue by the opposition. No doubt imprisonment without trial is against human rights. However, in the greater scheme of things, isn’t it so minor as compared to the prejudices faced by Malays from the majority of economically strong Chinese? Why are there no candle vigil for this issue? Why are we making removing ISA as our number 1 priority especially when there are less than 20 people currently under ISA and none are political detainees. Surely you jest Walla.

Walla condemns the judiciary and executive but at the same time but when a university drop out makes a report that he was anally assaulted and the executive and judiciary proceed with a trial in order to protect such university drop out’s right, you scream conspiracy. The OKT (Orang Kena Tuduh) has alleged multitudes of evidence and legal grounds that would exonerate the OKT but at the same time trying his very best to delay the trial. Something don’t jive! There can only be one explanation for it is the same OKT that tells his minions to raise issues/innuendoes whether it is true or otherwise, OKT has been lying and it serves his interest to delay the trial with the hope that the GE is held and the OKT is able to become the next Prime Minister and thus forcing the Judiciary and the Executive to drop the case entirely.

Anyway, putting all the above aside, there is always room for improvement in UMNO and there are definitely a need to have new blood and a new way of thinking within UMNO. That’s why I am still an UMNO member.

PH Chin 11 August 2010 at 14:27  

Dato'

I hope the excellent response from Walla overwhelmed you reasons to stay the course.

I believe you can contribute to a better Malaysia like Datuk Zaid Ibrahim did, outside UMNO.

Anonymous,  11 August 2010 at 14:51  

Alumni PASTI’

Claiming typo error is really a gem! So u read german, just like apocrylist too, ye?

I smell apocrylist here! This must be another deminegara choirboy setup. Ho..oray another one bite the dust.

OK – u wanted to talk Gestalt original preposition?

Fine! Now, can u zoom out yr lens to the whole of M’sia? Why ONLY centred on Malay M’sian? The last that I checked M’sia IS not inhabit & built by Malay M’sian only.

‘Compare the standards of living of the Malays before the NEP and after NEP, are they better-off or worse-off.’ is a circular argument. There is SIMPLY no chance for the scenario of what will be happening to the Malay M’sian if there was not NEP.

Can those Malay bigots then claimed that then the Malay will be already going to the dog! R they?

A closer comparison will be the Malay S’poreans. Have the Malay S’poreans living worst of than their counterparts in M’sia, before & now? Anyway, anon@ 11 August 2010 12:20 has a good take on this. Digest it deeply only then call yr other choirboy to formulae a reply, ok?

BTW, what about comparing the standards of living of the Malaysians before the NEP and after NEP, are they better-off or worse-off?

Before NEP, M’sia is among the top three in Asia for the quality of the standards of living. After NEP, M’sia is way behind S’pore, S Korea, Taiwan. So don’t get me started on comparing with S Korean, Taiwanese.

Yr argument of ‘look at the Malays, in `the whole' view perspective are much better that what you've painted.’ is one-sided. Ever heard of the phrase - a drop of black ink, darken the whole glass of water! R u one of those ink drop?

BTW, u r dead-right about that Barang Rosak. After getting a ‘good’ education u can still act like a rabid bigot. But then what can I expect from a type4 scum?

Oh..oooh, I’m a natural M’sian born & breed in this land. Nobody grant me any citizenship or anything, lest is u!

Pariah – I take back my word to sponsor yr mirror.

schenker78 11 August 2010 at 15:05  

alumni pasti,

what is Pariah when u write the word...does that word meant for those who corrupt, tidak cekap, tidak amanah, kaki rasuah, kaki betina dan kaki botol like most of UMNO leadership????

or do u meant it as a stereotype against certain people....

You said must look at Pre NEP and after NEP ...after the 100s of billions spent on the malays, they should have been a very prosperous and vibrant malay communities, competetive and world beaters...so UMNO has failed.... The ROI is very low for the money invested...

why...UMNO sudah balun semua duit....Daim dah buka bank kat Africa lepas mahathir resign....Boleh la dia simpan duit dalam bank sendiri....MACC tak boleh kira....

Habib RAK 11 August 2010 at 15:11  

SAK, A word to the wise should be sufficient. Nevertheless, if Walla's excellent lengthy explaination does the job for you, its good as well. So, you still think your place is in UMNO?

Patriot,  11 August 2010 at 15:19  

Alumni PASTI

You need to be educated that Malaysia is a "lucky country" in that it has lots of resources especially that black gold - petroleum. The previous administration was lucky to have lots of oil money and with that kind of resources even an idiot can do well. Malaysia so far is OK economically because of oil money but had that blasted UMNO managed the country well Malaysia would have been 10x better.

schenker78 11 August 2010 at 15:21  

Service B4Self,

Increasing Interest rates or taxes is a normal measure in controlling economic situation from quarter to quarter...

Thailand, Indonesia and South Korea all took IMF package and methods and their economy rebounded stronger and running better than malaysia.

Mahathir was scared if he sign with IMF as Suharto did, he will be sacked by street protest + he wanted to bai out MAS with RM8 per share, Petronas bail out his son, and list of his ChinaKui cronies...

UMNO economics has become like kampung economics. Takde standard. The only reason it seems well is because Oil Palm and Petronas gas and oil is still flowing in net capacity outward....wait till the Crude Oil imports come in 2011 or 2012...

Anonymous,  11 August 2010 at 15:29  

Dato',

Apa yang ditulis oleh penulis bernama 'Walla' hanyalah sekadar pendangan peribadi seseorang terhadap parti politik yang dia mungkin tidak suka. Itu hak dia iaitu sebagaimana Dato' nanti akan mengiktiraf hak penulis lain untuk menyatakan pandangan mereka mengenai Pas, PKR dan DAP.

Untuk menyenaraikan semua sisi negatif sesebuah parti politik bukanlah kerja yang dianggap rumit. Kita tidak perlu menjadi saintis atau pakar itu dan ini untuk melakukan tugas mengkritik sisi bobrok seseorang. Kalau tidak silap lulusan SRP sudah memadai untuk melaksanakan tugas berkenaan.

APOLITIKAL

schenker78 11 August 2010 at 15:32  

Service B4self,

what is an islamic state? Can you give a definition and conditions and running of an islamic state?? In terms of legal, governing, law ??

What is malaysia now?? Is Malaysia not an Islamic State today under UMNO, if not why??? are you going to call it a secular country???

I dont know what is secular and what is islamic.

Islam does not have Raja, Sultan systems. So what are you going to do with them?

The history of Sultans and Raja came mainly from England, Europe, China and India...

The so called first king of malacca is Hindu Buddhist Parameswara who run away from Jawa and Temasek before discovering the Melaka tree....

Richard Cranium 11 August 2010 at 15:44  

ServiceB4Self

Sir, you called Walla on just telling half truth and thus leading all readers to a lie.

You are a pot. Calling a kettle black.

Anonymous,  11 August 2010 at 15:46  

Why don't you just say you want to remain in UMNO to reclaim it when it gets kicked out of office and all the rats that run it now bail out?

That is legitimate.


But first, UMNO have to be kicked out of office. No choice in that..

schenker78 11 August 2010 at 15:51  

Quiet Despair,

If your family happen to be in the stadium Gong badak when the roof fell, what would have been your reaction towards UMNO, Raja Bahrin and his set of UMNO cronies ????

If the stadium roof fell the next day where there was a scheduled sports event by schools in terengganu, thousand of parents and children would have died...

Your UMNO is keeping very quiet indeed on this...A lot of Kuala Terengganu people wont forget this...say bye bye to your party's MB post in the next GE...

schenker78 11 August 2010 at 16:09  

when UMNO's previous MB like MM Taib, Abu H, etc caught with money in australia or some alleged to have affair with a close relative etc.... came a savior / penyelamat UMNO, seorang yang tidak dikenali dan tidak dijangka akan menjadi MB, ...doktor gigi bernama Khir Toyo yang masa itu dianggap sangat bersih etc...lepas pegang kuasa, perangai dia hancurkan bukit, hutan, tanah etc serupa setan gila....

so arguments saying that a fresh face for UMNO wont work out unless UMNO really flush out all the snakes from the very top and re elect the whole leadership....Just ask your party do an extraordinary AGM, do a complete overhaul of leadership like MCA (except they bring again the oral sex actor again)

some fella here comment about sistem 1 sekolah....i personally agree that chinese and tamil type schools should never have been approved in the first place after merdeka...There should be a single system school , but we can get language and cultural classes for the non malays....Now its too late, no dick head in both sides BN and PR got balls to do it...once you give a kid gula2, you cannot take it back , kid will cry...same as malays, sudah bagi tongkat NEP, sampai bila pun nak jalan pakai tongkat susah nak berdikari...

In the end malays, chinese and indians in this country dont have progressive minds like the western and some eastern society in term of changing the Old ways...Minorities from these communities would support abolishing NEP, Chinese school and Tamil school, maybe it will take 1 century to do it/.....

Greenbottle 11 August 2010 at 16:21  

Dear dato sak;

an excerpt from one of your recent posts best described why you still remain in umno(and by extension all the rest must remain in umno) ...you said..."kalau tidak kita semua akan mampus"...end of quote...

that sounds very self serving but then it's umno mindset through and through...

Anonymous,  11 August 2010 at 16:29  

Dato'

Dalam isu rasis, kita boleh saja berdiskusi atau saling tuding menuding sesama sendiri, iaitu menuduh siapa yang mula dan siapa yang kemudian, namun ia tidak akan menghentikan amalan rasisme dari terus melata di luar sana.

Untuk menyekat mana-mana perlakuan negatif, pihak siapa yang memulakannya adalah penting tetapi jangan lupa, apabila membabitkan sifat sejagat (sifat yang alamiah yang dipunyai oleh semua insan), mereka yang menunjukkan reaksi terhadap pihak yang memulakannya juga adalah penting!

Kalau reaksinya seumpama 'besar sudu dari kuah' atau disebabkan dirinya sendiri tidak bebas dari pengangan rasisme atau sengaja diperbesar-besarkan atas sebab ia bakal memberikan keuntungan kepada parti politik pembangkang dalam usaha untuk memburuk-burukkan orang parti dan bangsa (sasaran politik), makanya kebanyakan pandangan mengenai rasisme (terutama dari pihak pembangkang) tidaklah begitu ikhlas, tepat dan neutral yakni bebas dari pengaruh dan kemahuan politik kepartian.

Justeru dalam isu sebegini, kalau pembangkang saja yang mahu dilihat mempunyai otoriti untuk menyatakan ini rasis dan itu rasis maka selama-lamanya isu ini akan terus menguasai medan diskusi.

Satu persoalan, kenapa mereka yang kononnya anti-rasisme, begitu cepat melatah apabila berdepan dengan individu rasis? Bukankah mereka yang sepatutnya menyiram air ke atas isu rasis yang marak tetapi sebaliknya 'anti-rasis pembangkang' menyiram minyak setiap kali berdepan dengan pihak 'rasis lawan'!

Kalau inilah gayanya, penyudahnya ialah pihak yang di awalnya dilihat berbangga kerana mengambil pendirian 'anti-rasisme' tetapi dalam keghairahan mereka untuk menonjolkan keburukan orang lain, tanpa sedar, mereka sendiri yang menjadi lebih rasis dari pihak 'rasis lawan'.

Sesungguhnya, perasaan berpuak-puak tidak mungkin hilang dari pemikiran manusia. Kita boleh menipu diri sendiri dan menjadi hipokrit lalu menjaja seantero laman siber bahawa mereka mempunyai 'ubat mujarab' untuk menjadikan semua orang atau semua parti supaya bebas dari pemikiran rasisme. Ya anda boleh jaja tetapi jangan terlalu berharap orang akan beli kelentongan anda - Walla atau sesiapa saja.

ALPASIKU

Alumni PASTI,  11 August 2010 at 17:00  

Shenker78,

Don't talk about kaki botol, your idol Zaid will be kick your butt. Rasuah ask another idol gangster head MP, Lonnie Riu, kaki betina? Anwar, ehh soli dia kaki jantan...

Anonymous,  11 August 2010 at 17:08  

ServiceB4Self,

Cure to provide references for this quote of yrs;

'surely Singapore with a Gini index of 48.1 has bigger income disparity than Malaysia’s 46.1. What about Hong Kong – 53.3, Sri Lanka – 49? (This index measures the degree of inequality in the distribution of family income in a country). In fact under the government led by BN/UMNO the income ratio between Chinese to Bumiputera has drop from 2.29 (1970) to 1.74 (1999); Chinese to Indian from 1.32 (1970) to 1.28 (1999).'

ronaldo,  11 August 2010 at 17:34  

unexpected power failure in the polling stations.

now u all know why they are so afraid of candles!

ServiceB4Self,  11 August 2010 at 17:37  

Shenker78 15:21 and 15:32

I am sorry to disagree that Thailand and Indonesia is running better than Malaysia. Thailand has learned that you can’t form a government by undemocratic means and Indonesia income disparity is even greater – with the 2% of the population controlling 30% of the economy.

I raised the issue of PAS wanting an Islamic State and making its manifesto in the past (prior to 2004). The question I pose to all readers is that can a political party so easily change its core principles over night? PAS has not openly declared that it will not seek an Islamic State. Neither has DAP openly declared to a “Malaysian Malaysia” concept. UMNO has not proposed a formation of an Islamic state but has in the past indicated that the nature of our present government and based on liberal Islamic jurisprudence, Malaysia can be considered as an Islamic State. Unfortunately, such liberal Islamic jurisprudence was not accepted by PAS and believes that only by way of implementing HUDUD laws on all irrespective of religion can Malaysia be truly an Islamic State.

The bottomline is how much trust would one have of a political party willing to change its spots especially when it comes to winning an election? At least UMNO has been consistent – UMNO is open and is not shy to come up and state that it’s role is to protect the interest of Malays, similar to that of MCA and MIC but in BN to come to an acceptable compromise where decisions affecting one another should not be on a basis of a zero sum game. It is this basis why we have had political stability all these years.

Richard Cranium 15:44

It is the likes of Walla who barks at the Main Stream Media for unfair reporting and telling half truth. As such a person taking such high moral ground should not in turn repeat the same act as that of the MSM.

I for one accept that every commentor here will set forth his/her personal views and thus certain facts will be more promoted and other facts be subdued. As long as no one takes a moral high ground it is fine. It is up to the readers to read, think and make the decision at the end of the day.

This pot offer no apologies for calling the kettle black. Its just that the kettle don’t realize how black it is.

Anonymous,  11 August 2010 at 17:39  

Alumni Pasti,

At least Kaki botol and kaki belakang pandai jaga anak bini hingga menjadi isteri yang soleha..Kaki RASUAH tak pandai jaga anak bini hingga jadi kaki botol dan kaki shopping...
Nak tahu APA SEBAB,

Kaki botol & Kaki belakang berdosa dengan tuhan, Kaki RASUAH berdosa dengan 26juta Rakyat malaysia...sebab makan "Taxpayer" money...

Anonymous,  11 August 2010 at 17:50  

Dato,

When will you and your righteous UMNO brothers rise up to kick out the corrupt ones in the party and restore the party to its glorious days? Or are you waiting for someone else to do the job for you? If you are, then I believe you will be waiting until kingdom comes because there are no honorable men in UMNO who are prepared to do what you are advocating.

Show us you are not just an armchair critic...at least Ibrahim Ali makes sufficient noise to push his Perkasa agenda even though his logic is completely warped. You are 100 times more logical than Ibrahim but your action will speak louder than your eloquent words/writings.

Anonymous,  11 August 2010 at 18:36  

I don't think decent people will buy this argument: reject corruption but at the same time close one eye on sexual misconduct (sodomy etc).

Anonymous,  11 August 2010 at 18:44  

I am a Malaysian who is now settled in the West. I no longer dream of returning home. Like many millions of overseas Malaysians we have found places where we can live in an environment that give us an even playing field. Both my children are in the top ranking universities and will have a fantastic future to look forward. Whereas back home, I feel for most Malaysians who are left with a corrupt UMNO government. I find your views in support of UMNO is not only sad but ........

peter,  11 August 2010 at 19:25  

Serviceb4Self...

You wrote long and long... and I read long and long. At the end, I read nothing that justify what you wrote.

To refute all your posts would get me writing a book but here goes just a few glaring pointers.

"UNMO very accommodating to other races !" . You must be the biggest joker here to write that just because UMNO gives a few UMNO unwinable seats. and giving Cabinet seats. Hey we are talking about the Rakyat lah.

How accomodating have UMNO been? Who cares about the stupid seats warmed up by rent seekers for they own like PKFZ?

Everybody in the world knows, the moment the Non Umno guys say something even very trifile, UMNO would be in uproar.. with words like testing their patience.

2. About PAS forsaking their Islaminc agenda. We all know that for years and years PAS wanted to implement that. Can they? the best they could do was to forever rule Kelantan without non Muslim support.

And DAP without PAS support would be no where as well.

WEll this to guys like you UMNO is very very good . That means ONLY guys like you rule! and bankcrupt the country( strange you never seem to know this and all the corrutions like US30 million contract became US300 million kind of revelations).

You have such a warped idea of the article 153 on special rights.

Look read the world "Special rights" not all the rights and deprive others of their rights.

ARe you blind to what extent of special rights guys like you have interpreted? Well everything! Do I have to elaborate .. no need right?

DAP fights for rights of all citizens of Malaysia according to the constitutions including article 153 and they are doing it unlike guys like you wish to hijack the word "special rights" to mean everything.

When both compromise, they are able to win our votes and even I a non Muslim fear PAS no more. I would not hesitate to vote for PAS if they come to my area.

3. on corruption...
Hey are you nuts. That exactly how bankcrupt UMNO guys are. They and you are bringing small issues like a few million ringgit issues forgetting about tens of billions issues you guys are involved.

You are really blind by BTN for obvious reasons.

We stand for equality according to the consitution including article 153 .. not according to your warbed interpretation that DAP's current actions is wiping out article 153.

REad the consitution.

Tired already lah... almost every part of your post is warped.

Peter.

Anonymous,  11 August 2010 at 20:37  

such a lot of cyber warriors in one place - ok folks your work here is done.. go collect your cheques!

Anonymous,  11 August 2010 at 22:20  

With a friend like you who needs an enemy. I just wonder how you are what you are if UMNO has been such a lousy government.

schenker78 11 August 2010 at 22:22  

Indonesian government is pissed off with Malaysia's Guthrie under Sime Darby in cheating case and delaying in the settlement....Who is going to pay usd41million, thats in excess of rm130million....

http://www.malaysia-today.net/mtcolumns/33740-guthriessime-darbys-problems-are-far-from-over

The only thing UMNO good at is cheating, raping, sodomee and talk bullshit...

Adakah Indonesia akan ganyang Sime Darby dan kerajaan UMNO??? Berulangkah kempen Malingsia Malaysia 2010...??

PS Sesiapa yang tidak tahu maksud Malingsia, sila tanya orang Indonesia.....hahaha

Ramli Mohd Yunus 12 August 2010 at 00:02  

Dear Dato,

Posting of year! And I fully agree every words of this comments.

Well done Walla or whoever you are. It is the perfectly blended situation of the current scenario.

A true piece of write-up for all Malaysians.

Anonymous,  12 August 2010 at 01:26  

dear dato,

i agree that umno/bn as a party can't be blamed for the actions of some of its members. i also believe that umno/bn as a party should be able to survive if it fails to retain its reign as a ruling party. im a staunch believer that this nation or any progressive nation deserves a 2 party system with ample check and balance.

Anonymous,  12 August 2010 at 02:08  

there is nothing impressive of walla 's comment.a mere replication of articles by aliran, and opposition 's newspaper.most arguments are half baked and only based on anecdotal evidence and highly opinionated minus the subatantiated fact based on actual facts and figures.commisions and ommisions do happen in selangor,kelantan,penang and kedah.packages of spins being churned out daily via ceramah and new media to portray the states are clean and rakyat responsive where the government is zero defect and full of blessing to be spread among the rakyat.the economic crunch affects america and europes.they are not governed by bn.trillions of tax payer money was used in bailing out the private giants.it means the most developed country is not efficient in running the country that led to this mess.canada does not have this crunch.so it is not bn but we get the spill over effect of america economy.which cronies and elites benefitted in these 4 states.recently penang has suggested no more low cost housing as it creates cleanliness problem.so the dominant lower bracket income will lose.ponzi scheme is not related to any government ,it is only initiated privately by the people regardless of their political stand.malay is extremely accomodative,subservient and bow to please their friends.the bastardised version as u claim in the history speaks lucidly about how overgenerous malays are,the income disparity in singapore,indonesia,thailand.india and china is much wider than our country.opposition does the same thing.they define.despite gerrymander as u claim.ur pakatan still rules in 4 states.walla u have lived,worked and allowed to voice ur dissatifaction peacefully.why,this government has provided fertile ground to enable u to prosper until now.that isthe fact u deliberately ignore.few bad apples in the judicative does not warrant u to tar all of them.democracy does not fail but actually demos kratia is not applicable in its fullest sense.so walla ur argument is only hot air.sime darby is about internal mismanagement which is overlooked by board of directors.

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Anonymous,  12 August 2010 at 06:55  

such a longwinded hogwash

when i think of UMNO i see TUN DR MAHATHIR, period

Anonymous,  12 August 2010 at 06:59  

walla walla dirty fella

wash dirty linen in public - can only find fault

UMNO has done Malaysia a LOT of good sans sak who has been sidelined

a few "errors" does not render the whole of UMNO as irrelevant

name me a party in the whole world that is PURE and pristine

walla may have been paid to monitor UMNO eh?

Anonymous,  12 August 2010 at 08:53  

To Anonymous @ 12 August 02.08am & 06.59am,

I think both of you (or maybe the same person) are/is deprived of sleep, hence the rubbish you have written.

Suggest that you get some sleep to clear your clogged heads. Try some valium and if valium does not help, try jumping out of the 14th floor of the MACC building.

Alumni PASTI,  12 August 2010 at 09:07  

Yum,
I don't understand a hoot what is that quotes about. I suspect you must have wrongly quote your Lord Buddha teaching or you yourself could be a confuse Buddhist. Go read some more before preaching to others.

Shenker78,
The debate about the IMF role is somehow outdated because it has been rebutted many many many times. I suggest go read Joseph E. Stiglitz, Making Globalization Work (2007), and later comeback discuss here what do think of IMF.

Let me me quote from the book:
"By 2003, even the IMF had conceded that, at least for many developing countries, capital market liberalization has not led to more growth, just to more INSTABILITY" (emphasis is mine). If you think that is taking out of context go read the whole book. Ooo, BTW, Joseph E. Stieglitz is a Nobel Prize winner, the former Vice President of the World Bank, Clinton's Economic Advisor and most relevant he is the former President of the IMF.

He said:
"IMF programs has CLEARLY WORSENED the East Asian Crisis...

"My Economic research has shown the deep underlying FLAWS in IMF economies, in "market fundamentalism"...

Stop making innuendos about Mahathir's economic/financial policy whereas the Nobel Prize winners recognised Mahathir out-the-box-thinking. Unless people are confused by the empty-box thinking of Anwar Ibrahim who was pushing for IMF, we should be grateful to our Statesman, homegrown Economist, Dr.Mahathir. Long Live Che Det!

Suci Dalam Debu 12 August 2010 at 09:17  

Sir,

Thank you once again. I read every word and the quality of the replies is of the highest order (ref Malaysia only).

Thank you for providing space for dissenting views.

Thank you walla.

Anonymous,  12 August 2010 at 09:48  

ServiceB4Self,

‘Walla you have asked one single thing that the Government led by UMNO has done which is not debatable as to the positive result. The Government led by UMNO has provided sufficient schools and universities and also the provision of scholarship and loan that has enable the Malays to uplift themselves and thus over a period of 40 years creating more middle and upper income Malays as compared to the 100 years prior to that, and as such having more thinking Malays, now that support the opposition. Ironic but not debatable as to the positive result (on both side of the political divide)!’

R u very sure of what u had just written? Yes, The Government led by UMNO has provided sufficient schools and universities and also the provision of scholarship and loan that has enable the Malays.

But ‘uplift themselves’ in what sense? Do u mean that now they r now ‘educated’, they sould get better salary? What about employable skills & attitudes?

The question that should be asked is – is the return justified the means for the whole of M’sia? Rememeber – M’sia IS not inhabited by Malays alone.

Here r what ServiceB4Self has ignored to reveal. Let's debunk his bogus & outlandish.

The loan defaulters of PTPTN, plus those that from the other public institutes is 95% Malays! So what said u about this bunch of middle and upper income Malays? They forget that the loan/scholarship they got r suppose to uplift the whole of the Malay community, NOT just them. So they should form the initiators of the self-help positive chain reaction. Instead they ONLY think of themselves FIRST. So they havebeen educated unmo-style!

Let’s not kid ourselves about the outcome of this mass-production education policy of umno. How many % of this middle and upper income Malays r 2nd best/paper-pushers/type4 scumbag?

Don’t forget there r also yearly newly baked bunch of unemployable graduates, who after graduating from colleges still need helping hands for further employable skill trainings at the expense of tax-payers!

This hogwash of yrs can be summarized as a ZERO-SUM game.

Remember, M’sia was top 3 before NEP, & now we r staying trapped in the middle-income gap after 40+ yrs of NEP. Others, who were behind us have caught up & launching faster ahead while we r still ‘melayu’ aimlessly.

What does that shown?

It simply meant that these middle and upper income Malays r not generating wealth for the country. Instead, they drained wealth from the country as a whole, thus leaving the country forever in stagnant mode in quality of living.

So, still proud of these bunch of middle and upper income Malays?

Of course, there r pockets of Malay who have contributed. But in what % relative to the whole of tongkat-hooked NEPers? One could properly say that these Malays have most like already vote with their feet, as they don’t seem to be able to jive their religious/personal believes with the umno’s policy.

In this aspect I’m paraphrasing Gestalt preposition’s of "a whole is different from the sum of its INDIVIDUAL parts" as so shamelessly spanned by alumni pasti.

Where r the ‘positive’ human returns in this NEP investment for the whole of M’sia. Some will argue that this phenomenon has brought about racial harmony to the country where income disparity was identified by race. Then, just compare with THAT red dot’s Malay. R they doing any worst now than before, without any NEP type of hand-outs?

ServiceB4Self, u did write BIG & yet full of holes. Next time, think of the whole picture before u penned anything & make VERY sure those back-room ‘researchers’ have covered all grounds.

Oh…oooh, I forget, these ‘researchers’ could be those unemployable simpleminded NEPers, who have been ‘educated’ & yet still need trainings & thus r so so only in knowledge & skills. One can only expect half-cooked hogwash coming out from them.

Oh, btw, where r the reference for yr quoted Gini Indexes?

Anonymous,  12 August 2010 at 09:50  

cont 2of2

This hogwash of yrs can be summarized as a ZERO-SUM game.

Remember, M’sia was top 3 before NEP, & now we r staying trapped in the middle-income gap after 40+ yrs of NEP. Others, who were behind us have caught up & launching faster ahead while we r still ‘melayu’ aimlessly.

What does that shown?

It simply meant that these middle and upper income Malays r not generating wealth for the country. Instead, they drained wealth from the country as a whole, thus leaving the country forever in stagnant mode in quality of living.

So, still proud of these bunch of middle and upper income Malays?

Of course, there r pockets of Malay who have contributed. But in what % relative to the whole of tongkat-hooked NEPers? One could properly say that these Malays have most like already vote with their feet, as they don’t seem to be able to jive their religious/personal believes with the umno’s policy.

In this aspect I’m paraphrasing Gestalt preposition’s of "a whole is different from the sum of its INDIVIDUAL parts" as so shamelessly spanned by alumni pasti.

Where r the ‘positive’ human returns in this NEP investment for the whole of M’sia. Some will argue that this phenomenon has brought about racial harmony to the country where income disparity was identified by race. Then, just compare with THAT red dot’s Malay. R they doing any worst now than before, without any NEP type of hand-outs?

ServiceB4Self, u did write BIG & yet full of holes. Next time, think of the whole picture before u penned anything & make VERY sure those back-room ‘researchers’ have covered all grounds.

Oh…oooh, I forget, these ‘researchers’ could be those unemployable simpleminded NEPers, who have been ‘educated’ & yet still need trainings & thus r so so only in knowledge & skills. One can only expect half-cooked hogwash coming out from them.

Oh, btw, where r the reference for yr quoted Gini Indexes?

Anonymous,  12 August 2010 at 10:08  

Schenker78

“i personally agree that chinese and tamil type schools should never have been approved in the first place after merdeka”
How the government could disapprove it when such schools exist long before merdeka? Did our government at that time have enough resources and funding to do so?

“you cannot take it back”
Why cannot? Don’t you see how the Singapore school “take” away the many students that are suppose to enroll into Chinese school in Johor? Or you care only “take” and disregard “give”?

“In the end malays, chinese and indians in this country dont have progressive minds like the western and some eastern society in term of changing the Old ways...Minorities from these communities would support abolishing NEP, Chinese school and Tamil school,”
Hmmm…..progressive mind is about abolishing Chinese and Tamil school? Interesting logic.

HuaYong

schenker78 12 August 2010 at 11:17  

Hua Yong,

If anyone want to abolish theses type of sekolah kebangsaan jenis cina, tamil, go ahead....but malaysian politician are the Pondan type, generally speaking is to all regardless BN or Pakatan unlike Singapore, they will do it even if initially their citizen resist........ Malaysian politician just dont have the balls to remove old practices and reinstall new ones....just look at NEP, Sek cina, tamil and the racist politics which do exist on both sides, more prevalent on BN UMNO though...

The current gen who come out from chinese schools cannot speak malay properly, cannot speak english properly, only good in mandarin...those chinese that i work with overseas are either educated in SK, International School or overseas graduates because they have better communication skills withe westerners, arabs, and other foreign contractors....those from chinese type schools do have poor communication skills and dealing with foreigners....same goes with tamil educated students, except these indians generally can speak malay well as well as pick up english language easily and do not face much problem in communication in works....for the malays, those from SK and from rural background and some from the cities have difficulty speaking in english.....

malaysians should have at least 2 language skills and more open minded not only with those ppl in malaysia but even outsiders in foreign country, so they can do business easily there....the current gen student from all schools are crap except some well established premier schools in the country...when i talk crap, thats excludes all the passes and "A"sssss.

In workplace 'A' wont sustain your job but communication and PR .....

PPSMI is another bacward policy by Mudin Yassin. This fella looks like an idiot, talks like an idiot and not fit to be Education Minister...same as Hishamuddin before...I think those ministers from 60s and 70s did very well.......

ServiceB4Self,  12 August 2010 at 12:03  

Peter 11 Aug 19:25

Your reference to unwinnable seats must have been in reference to 2008 general elections. What about 2004, 1999 and all the other general elections? Didn’t MCA, Gerakan, MIC and PP win most of the seats that they contested in the GE prior to 2008 notwithstanding it is a Malay majority constituency. From my recollection, most of the seats that MCA, Gerakan, MIC and PP failed to win in GE 2008 are those seats that have substantial non Malay voters. Peter you failed to realize that UMNO is a political party and its relationship to other parties within the BN coalition has to be on the seat allocation at the Parliament and the appointment of the relevant party’s representatives at the cabinet.Thereafter it is incumbent on each of these coalition parties to address the rakyat’s issues. Obviously UMNO will look out for Malays as with MCA for Chinese, MIC for Indians etc.

Please understand the underlying sentiments within UMNO when you comment UMNO in an uproar with Non-UMNO mention anything “trifle”. From my experience especially being in a constituency where the candidates are from non UMNO BN parties, most of the work during the election is done by UMNO members. The relevant candidates and party hardly do anything within that constituency. What happened in 2008 was that due to various demands that impinged on Malay privileges by other races, the UMNO members refrained from assisting or working for non UMNO BN component candidates. The net result was that these candidates lost. If you studied the 2008 GE results, UMNO won most of the seats that it contested under the BN banner whereas MCA, Gerakan and MIC caused the loss of most of the seats BN lost during GE 2008.

PAS and DAP should be transparent as to what its objectives are. The reality is that PAS can achieve its objective of having Malaysia being an Islamic State only with the support of UMNO. PAS knows this that’s the reason that more than half of PAS members are open to them working with UMNO. My read is that PAS is just within PR just to enhance its political value so that when it decides to join force with UMNO, it can negotiate a better deal for itself.

Peter, you need to understand between the difference between the objective of UMNO and the corruption caused by some of its members. It is similar the way you would differentiate between the corruption of DAP and PKR councilors and MP/Adun and the objectives of DAP and PKR. For me the objective of UMNO to look out for Malay interests is correct but I abhor any form of corruption whether within UMNO, MIC, MCA, PKR, DAP, PAS etc. I have in the past refused to vote and thus bring down those leaders that are corrupt.

The Malay special privileges as provided under the Federal Constitution allows the government to allocate from the federal budget scholarship, places of education, places within the government service etc. Lets be realistic, since Malays represent 60% of the population and in order for the government to comply with such provision of the Federal Constitution, the allocation must surely be at least 60% if not more. Please note that the provision of the relevant Article disregard the issue of merits. Like it or not, non Malays would see it as depriving non Malays of their rights. If you care to read the relevant article you will realize that this is the case.

ServiceB4Self,  12 August 2010 at 12:04  

So Peter, it is either you accept the implementation of the relevant article or reject it. There are no two ways to it. DAP has sought to reject it but don’t dare to express it now because DAP will lose the support it gets from PAS and the Malays. DAP in reality practices hypocrisy. Just be brave and come out in the open with it instead of pulling wool over the voters eyes.

The issue on corruption is not the amount spent. The government may spend billions but if it was because to build a 900 km highway that has benefited the Rakyat, that is not corruption. But if you blatantly say that it okay for Selangor to spend RM15m of the rakyat’s money to support PKR’s political propaganda - that is corruption, no Government is allowed to use the tax payers money to support ANY political parties’ private agenda. Clearly we all know who is blinded by DSAI.

ServiceB4Self,  12 August 2010 at 12:04  

Anonymous 12 Aug 09:48

I agree with Anon that Malaysia is not inhabited by Malays alone and that if you were to look at the IRR of the policy, it may not bring an acceptable “return on investment”. But on the inverse, I read books published on the May 13 riots, the Malays in 1969 were stopping cars and the reason given was that “only non Malays can afford cars”. Today, no one can make such property ownership being the distinction of race and that is a fact. Today there are more percentage of Malay professionals than there was in 1970.

On the loan of PTPTN, if the recipient of these loans at 95% Malays, isn’t it obvious that the percentage of defaulters would follow the percentage of the borrower’s race? In reality, those defaulting whether Malay or otherwise are caused by lack of enforcement, absence of security and inability of the graduates to pay (we all agree that cost of living is quite high as compared to the income received).

If you care to check the statistics, today with BN’s policies, the percentage of upper, middle and lower income Malays are similar to that the percentages amongst the Chinese and Indians. In fact the income ratio between Chinese/Malay and Chinese/Indian has been reduced since 1970. Please note too that the economy has also grown substantially since 1970 ie. The pie has grown bigger. This means that notwithstanding the income ratio has dropped, the Chinese has not suffered a loss – this is a win-win position. That was the objective of the BN government.

In reality, the people’s rights to sharing the country’s wealth is one of basic human rights. The idea that 35% of the people controlling 90% of the wealth is no longer tenable. It is recognised by the UN that for a country to progress, these income disparities between races and between the upper and lower income group has to be reduced. This is something that the Government led by UMNO has realized so very long ago.

The reason why we are stuck in the middle income gap cannot be placed on the Malays. You need to appreciate the nature of our economy. After service sector, manufacturing represents the next biggest sector. The reality is that most of those within the manufacturing sector are Chinese and the model of promoting our country as a low cost labour for manufacturing is no longer effective with many other countries like China, India and Vietnam are able to provide lower cost for manufacturing. It is definitely NOT the Malays that is the cause why our country is stuck in the middle income gap.

That red dot Malays are not better off, believe you me for many of my relatives have given up their red dot’s citizenship to be Malaysian. The racism that is practiced in that red dot is even worse than Malaysia (with the exception of Penang Chinese, I suppose these Strait Settlement colonies share the same racists afterall it is being governed by a splinter party of PAP)

You may wish to check the CIA website for the Gini indexes.

Alumni PASTI,  12 August 2010 at 12:34  

Shenker78,
You brought up other traits of your BOSS. cheating, raping, sodomee and talk bullshit...

Sounds like and looks like your boss. Be careful, he'll sodomise your arsehole...

betul tak Anwar

Anonymous,  12 August 2010 at 13:21  

Schenker78

Singapore never close down Chinese school, they create a so-celled better national school. And the same happen in Malaysia in the seventies. Who dare says they have no balls when they are courage enough to make BM the medium language?

When you say overseas do you include China/Japan/Korea/Taiwan/HK/Macau? Does it sound sensible if a Chinese school graduate that work in Taiwan claim SK produce student that can only speak English and Malay and nothing else? Not everyone is into PR and communication, and I don’t believe English is the ultimate factor for good PR and communication. We should acknowledge that it is not a bad thing if our society consists of people that are from different segment, skill, language and culture. To make vernacular school an issue in a debate on topic like NEP and Umno/BN is conflating apple and orange, don’t you think?

I am not against a single stream or something similar, but you have to convince the parents you could offer a better option, like what you mention ….premier school.

To profess someone as crap is to me, absurd. I think most of us went through the same process of learning, and become experienced.

HuaYong

schenker78 12 August 2010 at 13:32  

Service 4 self,

if a 900km highway cost say 10 billion , over inflated by corruption by 15billion, that 5 billion is corruption, as UEM owned by UMNO by proxy, those money flowing back to UMNO coffers for their leaders account SDN BHD, and for UMNO election pocket money....another fella is Vincent Tan, UMNO's joint shareholder of Berjaya group....

if PR Selangor wants to spend RM15 million of selangor money to channel info on Selangor government activity, we welcome it. Since you BN people use malaysian taxpayer money in doing news propaganda using RTM, Bernama through Astro, Media Prima TV3, theStar and theSun (Vincent Tan), we want to see and hear the achievement and programs for Selangor ppl under selangor media.

We are even willing to pay to Astro for subscription if Ananda Krishnan got the balls to offer the PR government news channel to Astro viewers.

UMNO media will never show positives of PR government....why bother showing negative issues only....??

We in PR rarely watch your stupid TV3 presenters talking cock every nite on Buletin 8pm....

Thats one of the reasons why PR ceramah always attended by tens of thousand of people at all time....UMNO ceramah will only click if they are given some drinks, duit saku, some handing over ceremony etc....people dont come willingly to listen to UMNO leaders babbling....

Just look at Nejib's speech, at times he speaks like Adolf Hitler.....

schenker78 12 August 2010 at 13:38  

for the guy who said PTPTN loan is 95% Malay is bullshit....only 5% recipient is non malay??....come on, lets get the fact right ok....

non malays do get PTPTN, and the percentage surely in the 30 % min range....and this loan is meant for those from lower income students, if you are from rich or well to do family, you wont get it.... dont confuse yourself...

schenker78 12 August 2010 at 14:04  

Hua Yong, you are right to certain point....

if those who go to chinese school, and want to work overseas in China, HK and Taiwan go ahead....but your group will struggle to work in other parts of the world like middle east, north africa, india and western countries where malaysia have projects...

let me tell you, even chinese bosses in malaysia selective, only sending those who well proficient in english to those part of the world....mandarin speakers do go to China and taiwan if there are projects there....but then if you are proficient in 3 languages, your are not restricted....even now, china is training more ppl in the millions with western teachers to be good in english...go n google it..

You also need to remeber, there was a protest rally in HK last week over the increasing dominance of mandarin over Cantonese in HK and also in GuangZhou.....

ServiceB4Self,  12 August 2010 at 15:04  

Shenker78 12 Aug 13:32

I am quite disappointed that you sought to change my callsign to “Service 4 self”, originally I was tempted to do similarly like “Shaker78” or “Wangker78” but sought not to debase myself.

I believe the issue of over inflated contract awards are now limited especially with DS Najib’s administration to award based on PPP (Public Private Partnership) model and the stopping of direct negotiation basis for Government contracts. This is a fact. The reason I believe so is because all the rent seekers I know in UMNO are lamenting as to the absence of contracts. My fervent hope is that these rent seekers get so fed up and resign as UMNO members and maybe join PKR in Selangor.

You have to differentiate between private entities like Astro, Media Prima TV3, the Star etc being used to promote their owner’s interests as compared to PR using the Rakyat’s money for their political propaganda. The former is an acceptable practice all over the world and the latter is plain wrong. However, I agree with you that RTM should stop spewing BN propaganda too – too much of Rais Yatim on TV is bad for one’s health. Either way, if its wrong, irrespective who does it, it will remain to be wrong.

Lets face it PR ceramah’s attendance has no indication as to the voting of any one constituencies. Even I attend PR’s ceramah if not for anything but for the entertainment value. BN’s ceramah is too full of statistics and tend to be boring. PR’s ceramah is like watching a Hollywood blockbuster, a lot of action, blood, gore, highly entertaining but at the end of the day like Hollywood movies, it remains a fiction only.

I note the correction as to PTPTN, 70% recipients are Malays, 18% are Chinese, 5% are Indians and the rest are “dan lain-lain”. I serve to highlight too that the percentage of defaulters that are Malays are not 95% as contended by some. If I am not mistaken, there is an allocation of RM3billion per year for PTPTN and it is given based on merit and means test of the applicant. Isn’t this scheme another one of people first scheme of the Government lead by UMNO?

schenker78 12 August 2010 at 15:40  

Self B4 service,

PTPTN is one of the few good things your UMNO gov did n terms of redistributing taxpayer money...

However as usual , they dont know how to recover that money properly...

Does your UMNO got balls to issue few broadcasting license to pro Pakatan channels?? Is Umno afreai that half of Peninsular Msia will turn to Pakatan Channels...??

only communist, fascist, Singapore media corp, dictatorship countries will be putting effort in controlling people's mind with 1 sided propaganda without any airing of replies for UMNO's babbling on tv...i always hated when PONDAN BN in news channel accuse pemmmmmbaaannngkaaaang (this word is the dirty fucking word for malaysia) on issues without allowing them to reply back.

why cant we see Ketua Pembangkang speech on TV or any other PR MPs...In other countries, Head of opposition is always regarded as the next in line for premiership and given respect by the ruling party... come on, at one point, even mahathir was often blacked out by all of your UMNO channels as he was attacking Badawi....

remember that day when mahathir went to a PAS platform with Nik Aziz and mahathir attacked Badawi openly.....

Anonymous,  12 August 2010 at 15:47  

ServiceB4Self,

Let me imitate mamak’s style to response to u’

1)U have not answer my query. My question is to what cost that M’sia incurred in implementing NEP. Yes, the Malays in general have an average rise in income. BUT the country as a whole suffered a drop in quality of living. No?

2)PTPTN defaulters r educated using public money. Their education should have cultivated them into paying back the deed. & yet they didn’t/don’t & enforcement is needed to shame them into paying back. What sort of education was/is been provide to them such that they behave as such. What about the religious up-bringing they have at home? R all these form over substances?

3)Our economy pie is not growing, instead it’s shrinking since the implementation of NEP. Whatever the Malay increment in household income come from the reducing in the country’s kiddie bank. The Others have had always a mean to look for that extra to survive BUT the Malays look towards the govt. No?

4)‘It is recognised by the UN that for a country to progress, these income disparities between races and between the upper and lower income group has to be reduced.’ No through NEP leakages BUT self-help. But then where is that self-help that the Malays r supposed to have achieved after the 20 yr expiry time-frame? Instead, they r been extended – to some, hopefully perpetuate till kingdom come!

5)‘The reality is that most of those within the manufacturing sector are Chinese and the model of promoting our country as a low cost labour for manufacturing is no longer effective with many other countries like China, India and Vietnam are able to provide lower cost for manufacturing.’ How nice iff this will truth. The fact is the govt has used up a substantial amount of money for NEP leakages, while the engine of growth has been half-heartedly passed-on to the private sector. & those up & coming Malays r of NO help – as they r majority rent-seekers.

6)So just a few of yr relatives giving up the red dot citizenship means that the Malay S’poreans r having a had time. What about yr relatives taking the NEP chances, as a johny-come-lately free-loaders?

7)So u r using a dated CIA GINI indexes.

Anonymous@12Aug09:48

Anonymous,  12 August 2010 at 15:53  

ServiceB4Self,

Pls read carefully of what I wrote.

The loan defaulters of PTPTN, plus those that from the other public institutes is 95% Malays!

Anonymous@12Aug09:48

ServiceB4Self,  12 August 2010 at 17:30  

Schenker78 (I apologise for spelling you call sign wrong in earlier posting),

1) The issue of recovery of the PTPTN loans are not as straight forward as recovery on a banking loan. Firstly, the loan is given to people who can’t afford to fund themselves. Most of these students after graduating will help their families’ finances and with the income they get as a young graduates, many don’t have enough to repay the loan. In fact, I have been approached by an Indian boy who took PTPTN loan and is working in Singapore on whether I can assist him. Despite the higher income he receives there in Singapore, he sends quite a sum back to his single mother to support his siblings. After all that, he doesn’t have enough to pay PTPTN. PTPTN had blocked his passport and he was unable to return to Singapore to work. It is circumstances like this I was torn between pushing for PTPTN to release his passport and not see the loan repaid and enforce the restriction and ultimately spoil this young Indian boy’s future. So what would you have done?
2) TV Broadcasting licence is actually old technology and I don’t understand why Pakatan would want to apply such licence in the first place. The government has guaranteed there would be no censorship of the internet and the technology to communicate today is the internet. In fact once Telekom Malaysia completes their broadband connection to 50% of Malaysia’s population, anyone can access majority of the voters. The reality is that BN is falling behind Pakatan Rakyat in using this new media and I see no reason for PR to lament on not getting access on this old media.

ServiceB4Self,  12 August 2010 at 17:37  

Anonymous 12 Aug 15:47

1) Anon you must be deaf, mute and blind to say that the country as a whole suffered a drop in quality of living. Are you blind, no? (an answer in Mamak style too I suppose)
2) Self principles as to repaying one’s loan lies in the upbringing of such person. If you wish to lay that blame of the BN Government you must lay the same blame of the PR government in Selangor, Penang, Kedah and Kelantan …. Surely that doesn’t make sense? No?
3) Since implementation of NEP in 1970, Malaysia’s economy has grown on an average of 7% per year. This means that every ten years the economy doubles up. You are getting your facts wrong. For you to say that whenever the Malay income increases it is from the country’s funds, you are such a condescending racist. The Malays in the Felda estate, kampong, sub urban areas, towns all work for their living, no difference to any other Malaysian. It is race supremacist like you that spoil the country. I suppose you believe only Non-Malays work in Malaysia and the Malays don’t. In a Mamak style I tell you …. Poooorah!
4) Affirmative action has been recognised by the UN in order for a nation to reduce income gaps. How long will it take? I don’t know, but maybe just to spite racist like you, I pray it till Kingdom come! To the others, proper systems should be put into place so that such action should be gradually reduced over time.
5) Don’t tell me you don’t notice that most of those in the manufacturing sector are Chinese. Brader, from which “tempurung” did you come from? The reality is that the Chinese manufacturing lobbyist has lobbied the Government to artificially press down the value of the ringgit all these years so as to make their goods cheaper overseas but these Chinese manufacturers don’t bring back the funds to the loss of the Rakyat. At the end of the day, we pay through our noses for expensive imported goods (rice, sugar, beef, mutton etc), only to benefit these Chinese manufacturers. It is good that now DS Najib’s government is slowly strengthening our ringgit so that the burden to the Rakyat on such goods are reduced and ultimately forcing the manufacturing sector to innovate as a basis to make their products more attractive.
6) Yes many Singaporean Malays are unhappy as to the racism there in Singapore. Would you be happy if your government says that the you are not good enough to be trained to pilot a fighter jet, be a tank crew, command a naval ship and not even be part of a machine gun platoon? At best you should only be good as cannon fodder. You are not allowed to have more than a certain percentage of Malays staying in a HDB apartment. Dey! Brader have you been to Singapore, have the surname Lee or have you been blinded by the casinos there.
7) The CIA Gini index is the most current there is. At least I am using facts unlike you Mr. Lee.
8) The fact you make reference to a percentage, it doesn’t matter whether it was PTPTN only or ALL the universities, colleges or schools in the country referred to you, the racist innuendo is still as damaging. Based on this clearly you are not a Mr Lee for the Mr Lee I’m referring to would know the difference.

Anonymous,  12 August 2010 at 19:52  

ServiceB4Self,
Your reasons don’t sound convincing enough.

1)“The issue of recovery of the PTPTN loans are not as straight forward as recovery on a banking loan. Firstly, the loan is given to people who can’t afford to fund themselves.”
Read again what you wrote, do you mean one that are getting housing and car loan could afford to fund themselves?

2)“TV Broadcasting licence is actually old technology and I don’t understand why Pakatan would want to apply such licence in the first place.”
Put the argument of old/new technology and coverage/impact aside, question is, can the government reject PR rights to apply for a license? The action indicates whether our government does respect democracy, or as S78 put it, one sided propaganda.

HuaYong

Anonymous,  12 August 2010 at 20:13  

SB4S / Anon

1)Unless there is proper definition of quality of living, it is otherwise meaningless to debate such a wide subject.

2)“Self principles as to repaying one’s loan lies in the upbringing of such person.” I believe enforcement is a better way.

3-6) After all these years, can we really judge the good and bad via racial context?

I personally think Umno/BN fail in many aspect, we should give PR a chance.

HuaYong

schenker78 12 August 2010 at 22:18  

dude,

Service B4Self,

on ur 1st question, you should release the passport but at the same time at least ask the Indian fella to pay minimal amount, even rm50 or rm100 is ok for starters....i have negotiated my payment with PTPTN officials also before...

so it seems you are a government employee, probably working for PTPTN....

I hope your Biro Tata negara BTN did not wash clean your brain in some Jungle area somewhere in Perak.....hmm...they tried to wash mine, but it will never work on me....

On your 2nd issue, TV is still important....even in US ppl do watch CNN and Fox news, its not entirely Internet....

If malaysian Internet is as high as Korea, your argument is fine....most lower middle class and poors in this country dont have internet or computers....Do you think ppl in Rumah Panjang in Sarawak have internet, the Orang Aslis, those malaysian in Kampungs and Estates???? Your so called 50% (doubted figure) internet penetration is no good enough....BN keeping 100% of TV and Radio Broadcast to brain wash people....Nice try dude....

100% shows a monopoly and PONDAN attitude...If got balls, ask Rais Yatim and Najib to open up....

ServiceB4Self,  12 August 2010 at 22:44  

HuaYong
1) I suppose I didn’t make my thoughts clear enough. What I meant was that PTPTN is given to people who at the time of obtaining the loan has no means to repay the loan and no viable security is requested. Whereas car and housing loan, is granted only if you can prove that you have the ability to repay the monthly installments even then provided there are security for the loan and the asset is charged to the banker. That’s the biggest difference between PTPTN and the conventional loan. As such it is more likely for PTPTN loan to be in default as compared to conventional loans.
2) The question is moot as to whether the Government will grant PR the licence to set up a TV station. Since PR has not applied for such licence, we will never know. If you were to ask me, I feel that the Government should grant such licence should PR want to set up a TV station. In any event, I will expect that like the main stream media owned by BN, PR TV station would not be any different by blaring one sided propaganda too just like what Malaysia Today is doing now. Its just how the world is.

Anonymous,  13 August 2010 at 08:53  

ServiceB4Self,

Let me answer u point-to-point,

1)Who is deaf, mute and blind to say that the country as a whole suffered a drop in quality of living. Simple. Before NEP M’sia ranked among the top 3 in Asia’s quality of living. After NEP, we r ranked below many of the late-comers like Taiwan, S Korea. If u consider economic track-milling is OK, then continue yr mode of denial. Its yr life.

2)Repayment of loan is part of the human responsibility development process. Where does one get that sense of responsibility? From home & surrounding examples. So I do blame the BN govt for NOT doing that educational job right. So r many of the parents involved.

To be fair this PTPTN loan is a Federal issue what can PR states govt do? At most they can force their state loan defaulters to pay up only.

3)Refer to my answer in (1) above about the economic growth. Yes, the Malays in the Felda estate, kampong, sub urban areas, towns all work for their living. But DON’T u denial that there r large (very large) group of yr kindred rent-seekers living a opulent lives doing NOTHING but getting free hand-out!

4)Yes, affirmative action has been recognised by the UN in order for a nation to reduce income gaps. But for the MINORITY only. In M’sia this argument is twisted to suit the Majority. How pathetic can yr reasoning be? Anyway, pls do pray that it’ll last till Kingdom come! Bcoz by then, u people will be the jellyfish of the world if u still exist!

5)So u know that the economic activities of the Others M’sian r the engine of growth for the wealth of M’sia! Btw, care to substantiate this rubbish – ‘The reality is that the Chinese manufacturing lobbyist has lobbied the Government to artificially press down the value of the ringgit all these years so as to make their goods cheaper overseas but these Chinese manufacturers don’t bring back the funds to the loss of the Rakyat.’ Talk is cheap, BS is free.

Btw, what happened to those billions that the govt thrown at the Malay communities in entrepreneurship, skills & educational developments? By now, they should be part of the engine of growth. Yes? Instead, we have wastage, bill-out failed projects on the shore of red inks.

cont 2

Anonymous,  13 August 2010 at 08:53  

cont 2of2

Still blame the others (including the colonials) for yr kindred's inability to do something logic & sensible in ANYTHING except the nonsensical M'sia book of bloated records?

6)Now u r talking – pls zoom in yr colored lens back home for what u claimed – ‘Would you be happy if your government says that the you are not good enough to be trained to pilot a fighter jet, be a tank crew, command a naval ship and not even be part of a machine gun platoon? At best you should only be good as cannon fodder. You are not required by law to reserve a certain percentage of Malays staying in any housing estates.’

Clean up yr own house before u even trying to be a champion for the outsiders. Pariah!

7)U have not been honest in using the CIA Gini index. It’s outdated & u r NOT comparing with a same base year!

Btw, how did CIA compiled these economic data? Getting infos from the respective govt, of course.

For yr pseudo-economic research, do treat data from the M’sia govt with BIG bottle of salt. Why?

Let me tell u a story – some time during mamak’s reign, everyone in the business of doing business &/or economic research were expecting a –ve growth of GDP for that particular year. The world economic scenario was just not possible for any country to have a +ve growth. Wallah! B Negara’s Zeti announced a point decimal +ve growth, in a trembling voice, to the public! Her voice is trembling, not because of joy but rather she knew that she had put her reputation in line to lie for the glory of mamak’s capital control policy. So right about jaga periuk diri-sendiri. Where’s the professional pride to resign to defense yr maruah, both national & personal. Well, what do one expect from these NEPers…….

8)So u can’t right my statement – ‘The loan defaulters of PTPTN, plus those that from the other public institutes is 95% Malays!’

Trying to hide using racial slurring? Better dig a hole to hide. But on 2nd thought, u r already in a self-bury mode anyway. So keep on denial, u will be fine under yr tempurung.

Last, this is a holy month of Ramaddan, where every Muslim is fasting & reflecting on their deeds, past & current. More so, on their words. I strongly believe u r not doing yr religious duty right, after reading what u had written. Perhaps, u r the type that gain weight during fasting month. Soul-searching? Pls-lah.

Anonymous 12 Aug 15:47

Anonymous,  13 August 2010 at 09:30  

SB4S,

1)I get your point. If that is the case, perhaps our government should review the entire process, or the easiest way, not to treat the sunsidise as “loan”. Most PTPTN recipient I know do not have intention to repay, like what you said, the priority is to settle the car and housing loan.

2)I think you confuse with regards to government and party, but that is understandable.

HuaYong

ServiceB4Self,  13 August 2010 at 12:34  

Anonymous 12 Aug, 15:47
1) In a race just because you were 3 and later become 5 does not necessarily mean your time is slower. Your drop despite your time has improved is because the top 4 runners have far better times. The comparison should be based on the individual’s time or performance in the past and present. Clearly Anon or Mr Lee, believes that 1970s had better highways, better schools, better public facilities, better healthcare than 2010.
2) I suppose next if you become constipated you will also blame the BN Govt just like the fact that you don’t believe in repaying your loan. Bottomline, it your character flaw caused by people who bring you up that causes you to dishonour your obligations. Just accept it and don’t place the blame on others for your flaws.
3) Ah hah, now we are getting somewhere in this discussion, you have changed your tone from ALL Malays don’t work to “large group” of rent seekers (calling you a “racist” works afterall). Like what HuaYong said, give sufficient facts how large is large? I will even accept CIA dated facts in order to further discussions. “Talk is cheap BS is free” – I believe is what you stand by.
4) Affirmative action proposed by the UN is for the minorities – that correct. But minority includes economic minorities. Just don’t have a single track mind to think it is about population numbers only!
5) It’s elementary my dear Mr Lee. The Government has time and time again stated that it is keeping our ringgit undervalued in order to support our manufacturing sector. You have accepted that Chinese control the manufacturing sector. Conclusion – The Government would not do such act unless being lobbied.
6) You may not have noticed that Service Sector remains the largest portion of our country’s economy (55% if I am not mistaken). Most of the entrepreneurship programmes etc invested by the Government for the Malays are more in such sector. The bottomline is that the Manufacturing Sector being controlled by the Chinese is a private club to the exclusion of all the other races the only way for the Malays and Indians to become a major contributor of the economy would be through the Service Sector.
7) Reference to the red dot Malays was in response to your statement Mr Lee. It was not intended to defend the interest of the red dot Malays. Just to refresh your forgetful mind, you did write “Then, just compare with THAT red dot’s Malay. R they doing any worst now than before, without any NEP type of hand-outs?”?
8) The very least I took the trouble to quote the CIA facts as compared to you picking from a figment of your racist prejudiced mind. So you don’t accept facts from the Malaysian Government, you don’t accept what you see but you would rather accept prejudices and your perceptions only – hmmm why do I bother to respond?
9) “So u can’t right my statement – ‘The loan defaulters of PTPTN, plus those that from the other public institutes is 95% Malays!” –please practise what you preach: “Talk is cheap BS is free”. Please give me the basis of your allegation but remember don’t quote figures from the Malaysian government that you don’t trust – least I might end up calling you a hypocrite. FYI, I have responded to your statement but obviously you failed to read between the lines of my response.
10) Mr Lee you fail to realize that it is incumbent on all Muslims to challenge bigotry, hypocrisy and racist – especially to challenge those spouting supremacist tomes. More so during the Ramadhan. I hope you understand the different tone of my writing against you as compared to comments from other commentators . Peace be upon you.

ServiceB4Self,  13 August 2010 at 12:59  

Schenker78,

Bro, one important lesson I learnt from BTN is this – “question everything you read” – the rest I have forgotten. I have applied this to media whether coming from the Government, BN or PR. Generally what I find is that the Government media tends to glorify one side of the story only – the facts are there but usually incomplete. Rarely the facts portrayed are false otherwise these media would be exposed to a defamation suit. On the inverse, statements coming from blogs like RPK’s unsupported innuendoes and assertions and many a times plainly false. It’s just RPK’s role as PKR’s “black ops” operations. That’s the reason why RPK has been sued for defamation countless number of times and lost. The reason he lost is because he failed to proof that his statements were true, justified or for that matter qualified privilege. He had to run away not because of ISA but because the countless charges against him for sedition for he knows he has no defence against.
Dude, do you know whether PR has applied for a TV licence? I for one can’t recollect such being the case. If PR has not applied a for a TV licence, our discussion is moot and has no impact.

Anonymous,  13 August 2010 at 14:18  

ServiceB4Self,

I did sincerely wish that I’m a Mr Lee, & for that matter a quarter Mr Lee Kuan Yew.

So u r starting to get incoherent in thinking. Do let me cheer u up for one more time.

1)From what school (FLCE?) that u get that idea that I believes that 1970s had better highways, better schools, better public facilities, better healthcare than 2010?

So u don’t understand economy track-milling! It simply means that u r staying on the same spot (relatively) despite yr tiring effort to move. U must be doing something VERY wrong, such that those used to run behind u have caught-up & overtaken u, even though they started on a very much lower level.

Hi-ya! Why should I teach u economic 101? Another unemployable graduate cybertrooping as a pseudo-economist to earn gaji buta? Pariah2x

2)From the rates that things r happening (did u read in today’s MSM that police investigation papers have been sold as recycled paper?), I’ll definitely blame BN govt that my neighbor’s cat for shitting in my frontyard.

BTW what muppo-jumpo r u writing – ‘... just like the fact that you don’t believe in repaying your loan. Bottomline, it your character flaw caused by people who bring you up that causes you to dishonour your obligations. Just accept it and don’t place the blame on others for your flaws.’

The heat getting into yr head? Pariah3x

cont 2

Anonymous,  13 August 2010 at 14:20  

cont 2of3

3)U r indeed getting incoherent (snile, Alzheimer’s disease?). Where did I said this – ‘from ALL Malays don’t work to “large group” of rent seekers? If u can show it I promise not to call u pariah.

Oh…oh, btw why don’t u go & check with a alumni pasti for Gestalt preposition’s of "a whole is different from the sum of its INDIVIDUAL parts". That might get u some race sentiency iff u have that in the 1st place.

So whose talk is cheap BS is free? Pariah4x

4)Oh…oh, this is a gem quote – ‘Affirmative action proposed by the UN is for the minorities – that correct. But minority includes economic minorities. Just don’t have a single track mind to think it is about population numbers only!’

Well, if a majority in political power can’t master an economic advantage after 40+ yrs for their kindred from a economic minority THEN NEP is done with! U guys have been conned big time.

Btw, using yr gem quote, what about my political minority? Can I have affirmative political power, pls? Pariak5x

5)‘Government has time and time again stated that it is keeping our ringgit undervalued in order to support our manufacturing sector.’ is only partially correct.

Remember the biggest FX income is from oil, denominated in US$. The palm oil helps, too. That’s also denominated in US$.

For yrs the biggest manufacturing export is electrical & electronic goods, which happened to be majority foreigners owned (foreigners as in Mat Salleh, Jap etc, not pendatang, OK?).

cont 3

Anonymous,  13 August 2010 at 14:21  

cont 3of3

So our govt has been lobbied by these MNC, using YR elementary economic? Pariah6x

6)Oh…oh, service sector vis-à-vis manufacturing? Re-read my note (5) above.

Hey, did u know that in the developed countries ( US, Europe, just in case yr dementia set in) service sector is the biggest income generator, ie engine of growth.

In the case of M’sia, service sector lacks far behind. In the case of public sector, they become the biggest gaji-buta paymaster! Something is not right. Is that particular sector man by nincompoops, imbeciles? Pariah7x

7)“Then, just compare with THAT red dot’s Malay. R they doing any worst now than before, without any NEP type of hand-outs?” – So answer me truly, IS the Malay S’poreans doing badly without NEP? Pariah8x

8)I only accept what’s logical & fair & hard-work. Anything else is only yr prejudices and yr perceptions only. Use yr OWN judgement, based on that little education + common sense to analyse. So there is NO argument? Comprehendi? Pariah9x

9)“So u can’t right my statement – ‘The loan defaulters of PTPTN, plus those that from the other public institutes is 95% Malays!” – did yr up-bringing taught u to twist counter-argument with yr opponents. I asked, u responded wrongly & couldn’t provide FACTs.

Now u wanted me to spoon-feed u? Bloody wasted education if there was any in the 1st place. Pariah10x

10)Yes, it is incumbent on all Muslims to challenge bigotry, hypocrisy and racist with FACTS from the TRUTH. If the Quran has no answer, then go even to China to find it. Izzn’t it? & yet u twisted facts & do fitnah to others.

Ever heard of cat pissing on the grave of those people? Pariah11x

This is a holy month. Don’t desecrate its pureness by yr despicable acts. Repent iff u r still conscious about yr being!

Anonymous@12Aug15:47

Old Fart 13 August 2010 at 14:29  

Mr Sakmaongkol AK47,

After this, can you still continue to remain in UMNO?

So what really is there to salvage? Please tell me!!

ServiceB4Self,  14 August 2010 at 11:23  

Anonymous@12Aug15:47

Facts, facts, facts not prejudices. Without facts from you, this discussion has become unproductive and very racist on your part. You must be of one Ronnie Liu's gangsters or is it DSAI's toyboy opps sorry I mean teaboy? How many support letters did you get to support your argument that lacks any form of facts? Its a pity Pakatan Rakyat has people like you supporting them.

I dread to think what happens should PR become the Government. God forbid! I sleep soundly though to know with people like you supporting PR, PR can't become the Government and at best be a one time wonder only.

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