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Saturday, 27 February 2010

The Goalposts keep shifting!

It's very exasperating to debate with pro Anwar bloggers. All this time I thought only Anwar keeps changing stories and instructions to his lawyers. There is a story going around that Suleiman Abdullah had to suffer receiving ever changing last minute instructions and storylines to follow. Even when en route to the court, Suleiman who rode in a car in front would still be receiving last minute new aspects to the story from Anwar who rode in another car behind.

The same affliction seems to affect pro Anwar bloggers. They keep shifting goalposts. It is impossible for a kaki bangku like I to score. You must have the skills of a Pele to score these kinds of goals.

Take the case of the CSIS seminar in Washington on the 24th of February recently. Ernest Bower may have written a less than flattering piece on the current politics in Malaysia. A person may hold such views as are supported by the facts and information then. He is likely to amend his position as new information and facts emerge. You can't be dogmatic when it comes to facts.

It would be undemocratic of him to deny an opportunity for Malaysian government to present its side of the story. So the decision by Ernest Bower to hold a seminar in which representatives of the Malaysian government can present its views, should not be seen as a yellow bellied about face. Rather it could just be a fair decision to allow the opposing side the floor. That is the rule in debates right?

To suggest something sinister must have happened to Bower is just an exercise in setting down your traps in murky waters- menangguk di air keroh. It's a booby trap.

Nazri Aziz was leading a team of parliamentarians to Washington. There were others in his entourage including the much despised Big Zahrin Hashim. Why and how he was there isn't material. If he can shed some light on Anwar and PKR that benefit UMNO and BN, he should be applied to that task. He isn't going to get a standing ovation from PR anyway.

I am among those many people who share our loathsome perceptions of Nazri. But that cannot be an excuse to disbelieve him when he said; it was a coincidence that Ghani Patail and Tun Hamid Mohamad were in Washington at the same time. We didn't know whether the names of the other speakers were included later or not. The original speakers were supposed to be Nazri as the main speaker, the commissioner of MACC and maybe others.

There must have been some communications between our ambassador and the organizers of the CSIS seminar. It is customary for organizers to ask the interested party to recommend other names as the party sees fit and appropriate to be on the panel of speakers. Ghani Patail as we are told was in South America and the ambassador must have felt it profitable to include him as speaker. If he were present, most likely he would be speaking off the cuff or would have played a greater role in the Q&A session. As for Nazri, his visit could have been planned well ahead and this explained why he had prepared a paper to speak. This paper was for the record.

The portion which was off the record was the portion in the question and answer session. They probably contained material which if placed on record may be prejudicial to Anwar Ibrahim. But if the Malaysiakini rep was present throughout, we can be sure that the off the record portion will be printed sooner or later. It is safe to assume he left the building together with the reps from Amnesty International. He was the one who passed material to RPK to publish in Malaysia Today allowing RPK to say he has ears all over the world. We can't stop him beating his chest there.

We have answered that part about this being a waste of public funds. The cynical remark about our ambassador's purchase of a Porsche was sinister. It was intended to insinuate that JJ bought the car using public money. It is possible that embassy cars are rented not bought. It is also possible that JJ could have bought the car using his own funds. Diplomats can buy their cars at a fraction of the cost we buy. Certainly JJ is not a man of straw like this blogger and many of you. We should dismiss that naughty remark.

When everything is in disarray, suddenly a seminar in Washington becomes at the end, an issue of justice. We have been playing for 90 minutes and suddenly the goal is shifted again.

Here is where I encounter a problem. Anwar Ibrahim deserves justice. That we don't dispute. But his accuser, the alleged victim also deserves justice. Why is justice to Anwar more important than justice to Saiful? We need to know whether this Saiful is a fool and a liar.

We must move away from attributing Anwar an ascribed status. Just because of who he is- he is The Anwar Ibrahim, among the most influential people in the world, - therefore by being who he is, justice to him overrides justice to other people.

Anwar Ibrahim is a mere mortal. He has power to do good as well and immense power to do evil. He has the capability and ability to do evil as well as good. This power is independent of who he is. Now Saiful, though an unknown Malaysian and a non entity is also capable of doing good and evil. He can achieve all this.

Both Anwar Ibrahim and Saiful must be given achieved status- that is, both are capable of doing good and evil. Both are capable of committing wrongs. Both must be given the same justice. What we have done is to ascribe Anwar a special position. That being who he is, he deserved justice more than anyone else. But the justice we insist is justice ala Mr. Henry Ford- we can have any color we desire as long as it's black.

12 comments:

Anonymous,  27 February 2010 at 11:00  

Enough of this issuelah Datuk.

Let's move on to other topic. How about the talk on the possibility of Ku Li be sacked from UMNO for taking a different stand on the oil royalty issue and his criticism of the govt? What is your take on this? Is Ku Li not doing "the right thing"? If no, why? If yes, why UMNO wants to take action against him for doing or saying "the right thing".

How about TDM?. He attacked UMNO's/BN's policy mercilessly during Pak Lah's time and UMNO dare not take any action against him. He even said that UMNO is rotten to the core. Has UMNO considered him as "God"?. Any other members who were to attacked the President like he did would be immediately sacked. I cannot understand UMNO's hypocrisy.

sakmongkol AK47 27 February 2010 at 11:17  

anon at 11:00

agreed. we move to other issues. UMNO- which is my principal interests.
watch the next few articles

Nik 27 February 2010 at 11:32  

Dato'

Agreed. A large number of us do not just see Anwar in Isolation, which is what you have been doing. For example, a person's Wife provides some clue as to the nature of the person. Anwar's wife, Wan Azizah remains the calm, sedate but resolute character despite the ongoing turmoil surrounding her. I would say that whatever shortcomings Anwar has is compensated by Wan Azizah's unblemished character. How could one not believe in such a wife?

The same is not true for Anwar's main opponent.

Forexima 27 February 2010 at 11:36  

Azmin pernah diugut polis supaya mengaku diliwat Anwar

(Harakah Daily) - “Saya pernah diugut polis supaya mengaku pernah diliwat Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim ketika ditahan pada 16 September 1998," kata Naib Presiden Parti Keadilan Rakyat (PKR), Mohamed Azmin Ali.

“Pegawai polis meminta saya menandatangani surat mengakui diliwat. Saya diugut akan ditahan di bawah ISA selama 20 tahun kalau tidak mahu menurut kehendak mereka,” katanya pada ceramah isu semasa di padang Majlis Daerah Machang malam 24 Februari.

Menurutnya, beliau tidak sanggup untuk menurut kehendak mereka sehingga didera begitu rupa ketika dalam tahanan.

Malah katanya, ketika itu dua lagi kenalan rapat dengan Anwar iaitu Dr Munawar dan Sukma juga diminta membuat pengakuan serupa bagi mengaibkan bekas Timbalan Perdana Menteri terbabit.

Menurutnya, beliau hanya dibebaskan Mahkamah Tinggi kemudiannya selepas didapati tahanannya dilakukan secara salah.

“Tidak lama kemudian hakim yang membebaskan saya telah ditukar ke negeri lain,” katanya di hadapan ribuan penduduk tempatan yang memenuhi segenap ruang padang.

Oleh itu, Azmin yang juga anggota parlimen Gombak berkata, versi kedua dakwaan liwat terhadap Anwar dipercayai mempunyai elemen-elemen yang serupa pernah dilaluinya lebih 10 tahun lalu.

“Apa yang Umno lakukan sekarang hanya mengulangi kembali tragedi yang pernah dilakukan Hitler dan Lenin bagi mematikan karier politik musuh mereka dengan dakwaan seks.

“Fitnah seks yang digunakan secara berleluasa pemimpin Jerman tersebut bagi menghalang kebangkitan musuh politik mereka,” katanya.

Hadir sama pada ceramah tersebut Setiausaha Agung PKR, Saifuddin Nasution Ismail, Ahli Parlimen Bukit Gantang, Datuk Seri Nizar Jamaluddin, Ketua Dewan Muslimat PAS Kelantan, Siti Zailah Mohd Yusof, Yang Dipertua PAS Machang, Datuk Hassan Muhammad, Adun Temangan, Dr Muhd Fadzli Hassan dan Adun Kemuning, Wan Ahmad Lutfi Wan Sulaiman.

Zul 27 February 2010 at 11:44  

Datuk is stuck with this issue. Like the rest of UMNO, nothing better than Anwar story ....Anwar or Saiful, both will not get their justice. I pity for Saiful who will endure this for "nothing".

sakmongkol AK47 27 February 2010 at 12:24  

nik,

Wan Azizah is the proverbial Good Wife who caught her politician husband with his pants down. she has to be a stoic.


zul,
why pity saiful? he is the one pleading justice.

BCTan266 27 February 2010 at 12:29  

Datuk,

Putting partisan politicss and pet peeves aside, let's ponder a moment about doing the right thing ala Malaysia. The Washington Show could be considered for this purpose.

Do you genuinely believe that the goings-on in our country are predicated upon 'doing the right thing'? Or are they only 'right' according to some standards set by some people that want to force-feed us their so-called nuggets of wisdom?

How conveniently we embrace Rais-Yatimism (or Mahathirism for that matter) and argue with warped conviction to an esoteric doctrine of truth dismissing universal standards of logic as unsuitable to Malaysia coz we are unique.

Still on Washington, do you truly believe that making Ghani, Choo Keong, Tajuddin, Zahrain and Nazri our unoffical poster boys to talk about rule of law in Malaysia? That's a real stretch...

Since we are on the path of talking about doing what is right...does rule of law apply equally to all in Malaysia?

Anonymous,  27 February 2010 at 12:38  

Why not put azizah on the witness stand for anwar sodomy II??

Maybe she can shed some light on this case .

Or check azizak ass if she being sodomise too.

Just my 2 cents lol

Anonymous,  27 February 2010 at 14:19  

Talk about JJ, who is JJ is he ? jailaini juling , jenal jamil,juhaidi jinjang or jamah jubor?

the truth hurts,  27 February 2010 at 14:28  

Dude, like RPK- it seems to me that you really like shaking your own tree and beating your own chest too. Which is really quite okay and a really human thing to do. Hey, I do it all the time.

Ok, so far you've rambled on about how shameless the pro Anwar bloggers are and why they are a bunch of unreasonable pain in the butts who like to distort the truth ( according to you) etc etc-

however, like the many ignorant and pitiful pro Saiful bloggers out there that demand justice for this gutless wimp - you too have simply fallen into the common trap of taking comfort and refuge in your very own self-made little private delusional fantasy world-

when instead of taking a moment ( as any intelligent person would do) and asking yourself all the hard questions (if you have the courage to) as to why it is that many folks in this country and outside are crying foul over this farce of a trial. Is that so hard to do?


If you have and still believe that Saiful deserves his day in court, you my dear sir are just- ( please excuse the name calling )- plain stupid.

There's no other way around. Sorry.

p.s- I'm the last person to think Anwar is a saint. Nor am I a pro Anwar blogger.I just like facts. And this bum rap is way too much dude.

sakmongkol AK47 27 February 2010 at 19:42  

anon 14:19

pls advertise yr stupidity elsewhere.

anon 14:28

you can dude yr way elsewhere ok. if you cant put up arguments, pls dont come here.
you must be living in a fantasy world of your own. people in the kampongs accept Anwar is a bloody faggot. probably the people who align with you are patrons of the various watering holes in KL, no?
no sir, it is you are stupid. or shall i say dude?

Anonymous,  28 February 2010 at 02:21  

1. Justice to Anwar and Justice to Saiful? But Anwar is facing 20 years in jail and fine or whipping. Saiful is not.

2. In fact, justice to Saiful requires him to face the same charge as Anwar and 20 years in jail and fine or whipping. Why? Saiful admitted to consensual carnal intercourse.

3. Why consensual? Saiful changed into towel and washed himself when in the most non-threatening manner. And, that is what the AG has charged Anwar for, consensual carnal intercourse.

4. If it was consensual, was Saiful a victim? Cant' be. If he was not a victim, why should we be crying for justice for Saiful?

5. Since Anwar is the one facing 20 years in jail and fine or whipping, who are we to question his tactical moves? Why must pro-Najib bloggers question Anwar's manoeuvres within the legal system? Other accused would not have been questioned as severely as Anwar.

6. Why should Anwar face the legal system? Why shouldn't he delay the trial? Prior to Fitnah 1, the current AG tried to get Datuk Nalla to testify against Anwar concerning several married woman and in exchange, the charge against Datuk Nalla under the ISA which carries death sentence would be reduced to a charge under the Arms Act which did not carry death sentence. What hope does Anwar have?

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