Friday 1 May 2009

Sakmongkol answers Rocky-2

The true intention of Anonymity.

The ethics which Rocky are championing? Here are some samples:

Dato' Bendahara said...

sakmongkol is a sick bastard with lousy english n no integrity.

Parpu Kari said...

YO MUTHAFUCKA, KJ ASS LICKER! I KNOW UR GETTING A LOT OF MONEY FROM THAT ASSHOLE, BUT DON'T YOU HAVE ANY DIGNITY, YOU MUTHAFUCKA?

I CAN PUKE WITH UR WRITING MAN!

WHAT THE FOOK UR TALKING ABOUT!

MEMANG POKEMON LA LU PENJILAT KJ!

MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I did not start the original article so as to arrive at the intention to expose anyone. But with these two comments which typify the usual stock-in trade of these denizens of anonymity, they have only hardened my resolve to do just that. It has now become 'a cause' to expose the hacks and the pompous claimants of purer causes and national interest.

The issues have gone beyond the issue of ethics. After going through the comments, the real contentious issue is the corrupting use of anonymity. How it is used by the typical representatives of Cyber-Guerillas Anonymous (CGAs) such as the above proves exactly why a war must be waged over and over again on writers claiming anonymity. I did not seek to do this, but it will now be a pleasure to expose these rotten apples who night-soil the genuine writers who want to remain anonymous.

Claiming as furthering the cause of national and higher interests, high-level priests of anonymity have been telling readers and mostly those who subscribed to their views that they have no intention of hurting another fellow human being. Such voluntary assurances are very pious and righteous indeed. It's their typical MO.

They then proceeded to faithfully communicate that seemingly pious and self righteous message, such as 'anonymous
sources at Putrajaya have told me/us
there's no intention to harm a particular person's chance to cari makan as Press secretary to the DPM by intercepting his appointment. Their motives are pure. The interception is not a political feather in the cap nor a warrior's earned scalp and it is not personal. The problem, they say, is the country's security may be compromised and that's what they are intrested in.They are, they claimed, protecting the interests of the DPM and by extension, the nation's.

There are several claims here, all attributable to anonymous sources including the reporters who insist they too want to remain anonymous which are disputable. First the pious claim, they don't want to hurt another fellow's right to pursue his interest. Second, the same anonymous sources through anonymous spokespersons claimed the first claim has to be sacrificed in the name of security.

The two claims are clearly contradicting one another. Everyone- the sources and the spokesperson want anonymity while remaining conscious of the contradictions. Why do they want that? Because the veracity of their positions and agenda are not provable as true and also because, they don't want to underwrite their claims with unimpeachable accountability. That's what anonymity does -- it allows dubious or even false claims to be spouted with impunity and without any accountability. 

That's why anonymity is such a valuable weapon for shadowy sources and informants and other creatures that inhabit the Hobbit world of 'higher causes' and such a risky and questionable practice for cyber-journalists.  If the claims from Reliable-Sources Anonymous are true about the intentions of the overlords at Putrajaya, then why can't they just attach their names to those claims and why weren't they made to do so by the CGAs before having their true and honest intentions amplified to the public?

Yes, I am indeed new to blogging. Before I started in June 2008, I have been reading them actually. It was sufficient for me to understand the practice of using anonymous calling cards by cyber journalists. They and their kind have engaged in all kinds of tortured public discussions and hear this people! -- Even promulgated guidelines for the proper use of anonymity (perhaps a sub-section of blogging ground rules) -- all of which, since then, have been almost entirely ignored and abused repeatedly. 

There are, of course, narrow circumstances in which anonymity is not only justifiable but crucial -- namely, when whistle-blowing reliable sources risk their jobs or even careers to divulge damaging information that the Government wants to hide -- but that obviously isn't how anonymity is being used in the vast majority of cases by beltway cyber-journalists, such as those documented above. (You know, the side roads, ring-roads along mainstream roads that most often confuse travelers and cause accidents?)

But I have yet to see the validity to extend that narrow justifiability of anonymity from risk-sensitive sources to cyber-reporters at large. Can anonymity be extended to the two cited above? Looking at the comments thus far, A Voice and Bigdog and even Rocky himself aren't exactly paragons of nobler use of anonymity either.

Instead, anonymity is now eagerly granted to any one even when they are doing nothing but spouting the ends of hidden-agenda setters ensconced deep in the upper reaches of Putrajaya and elsewhere through CGAs eager to be chosen as the Putrajaya Overlords' anointed message-carriers. In exchange, the CGAs are willing to agree to any conditions imposed by the hidden-agenda setters for that "honor." When RPK was doing all sort of exposures, he didn't hide his identity to get information from reliable sources.

The identity of his sources but not HIS remains anonymous. So to justify the use of anonymity because it facilitates the getting of information is flimsy. To move around unsuspecting story-droppers and later finding those being marketed around in blogosphere is even more unethical.

But no matter what legal protections exist; cyber-journalists should pause before handling information received from people who demand anonymity. Reporters should avoid promising anonymity to sources if it is being offered simply to encourage the source to say something in a dramatic or damaging way that the source would not say on the record. If the use of anonymity is tenuous for sources, it is even more for the reporters themselves. This use of anonymity harms the role of bloggers and diminishes the value of the confidentiality given to those who are real whistleblowers—people who actually risk their jobs and jail for what they may believe is a higher cause.

37 comments:

  1. Blogging in almost every country in the world allows the author to choose whether to remain anonymous or not. Freedom of choice.

    In your early days, you pretended to be a blogger more closer to Tun Mahathir, that was the initial impression you gave everyone; perhaps that's why Avoice trusted you with his identity.

    Your initial moves was totally misleading, and you perhaps portrayed such a image to gain hits and credibility. You then suddenly moved to the Dark Side.

    You're not holy, you're not clean, and your intentions are not noble either. Khairy Jamaluddin man, you're defending Khairy, YOU KIDDING ME?

    I hope everyone will stop firing, and focus on more productive discussions.

    Let's not flatter those who abused the initial unwritten code of conduct.

    Dalam blog, tak perlu lesen cetak, tapi pembaca akan nilai kredibiliti dan beri lesen kepada penulis. Kau punya lesen penyiaran dah kena tarik.

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  2. Dear Mongkol,
    What bendahara said is true.
    Only came back to your site after I read it at Rocky's.
    Well here is feedback.
    You can take it or twist it.
    Suka kaulah.

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  3. Dato' Sak,
    Keep on blogging but keep away from bullying, coz what comes around goes around.

    One more thing Dato', when it comes to KJ how much effort you'd put, hantu tak akan menjadi tuhan.

    You may be successful in uncovering A Voice and BigDog (who has revealed himself to some extent earlier), but you have failed demonising them.

    What you did has backfired.

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  4. always knew big dog & husin lempoyang as hard hitters....

    know i know them as hard eaters ..wakakkakka

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  5. Keep it Up Sak!!

    Show these buggers what you are made of....

    Rock the Rocky....

    Shut the Bendah....

    WE ALL KNOW ITS KJ BASHING SEASON!!

    They want KJ to resign through intimidation and Bullying...Hoping that he will cave in!!!

    Pull your stops and fight back man...

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  6. I think the first comment more or less betrays their true intentions. It was never about morally right or morally wrong. Its always about KJ.
    Good one Dato', they swallowed the bait hook line and sinker.

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  7. Dato Bendahara says:

    "Your initial moves was totally misleading, and you perhaps portrayed such a image to gain hits and credibility. You then suddenly moved to the Dark Side....
    ....
    I hope everyone will stop firing, and focus on more productive discussions."

    Misleading? Looks like you misled youself!! In the Blog's world take nothing for granted....
    Firing?...Look who's firing now!!

    Sak? He's got AK47...You? What do you have? A peashooter?

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  8. Now we know when good people are not welcome in umno as it has a norm to have idiots like the bpn buggers and their mahaguru rocky.

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  9. abang sak,

    puhleeze-lah, bang oi.

    rocky tak ada standing nak cakap bab morality atau apa-apa binatang tu sebab dia ni dah berbini, anak tiga tapi main betina.

    tak caya, bang -- buat-buat jadi betina dan ngurat dia pada blackbery dia, sms dia atau, email atau facebook dia. janji dia layan. janji dia ngurat tu, bang oi. over the top, bang oi. bukan saja muka nampak miang. memang miang!

    si rocky gatal kaki arak tu nak cakap pasal kewibawaan -- PODDAH!

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  10. mala fide, man.
    you betrayed a friend.
    you're low.

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  11. I'm not a KJ supporter but I think you should just ignore the lowly comments Dato', and keep on writing.

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  12. There are many valid reasons people prefer remain to be anonymous.

    We should not over-react to obscenities, obnoxiousnities. Just ignore them or moderate the comments and don't post them. Trust me you may even find some hilarity in it.

    If someone has laid a trust in us, we should never betray that trust even if we become enemy one day. Otherwise the message sent out is nobody in this world can be trust and that is indeed a sad thing, makes us all poorer.

    Bega

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  13. We should not over-react to obscenities, obnoxiousnities. Just ignore them or moderate the comments and don't post them. Trust me you may even find some hilarity in it.

    i beg to differ. the point i want to show is our understanding the concept of ethics. we are better off by trivialising it?
    it is ok to argue using these kind of profanities because they are hilarious but exposing the use of anonymity in furtherance of an injustice is not?
    thats higher cause for you.

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  14. Salam Dato',

    Apa pun saya tidak bersetuju dgn pendedahan identiti A Voice oleh Dato'. Tak beretika mendedahkan identiti mereka walau pun Dato' kenal siapa blogger tersebut. Harap jangan diulang lagi.

    -Anon juga-

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  15. Dato?
    You are accused of betraying A Voice and BigDog!

    They did share and enjoyed the joke right?

    But when the bashing and tongue- lashing flooded in..hukhukhuk they cried for pity and pretended they were victimised and betrayed.

    Jadi sape betrayed sape?

    Lain kali careful lah bila pilih kawan.

    Talam 2 muka punya olang!!Haiyyoo!

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  16. Dato Sak,

    Ever since I've discovered your blog, I've enjoyed your articles. Even though some I may disagree but I've enjoyed all of them.

    For those who find your thoughts to be disgusting, I suggest that they go to other blogs who are more suited to their style of commenting. They can rant as much as they want. Afterall, this is your home and you can decide to do anything that you want.

    You will be surprised that that they're tens of thousand of Sakmongkol fans out there who continues to look forward to your next article. I think your thinking is worth more than any of three blogs in questions. Please conserve your energy for your next article rather than wasting it on this emotional nonsense which I think is to slow you down!

    You're doing a fantastic job for the nation. Heads up and keep it up.

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  17. Alahi si rocky pemabok tiap malam mabok je. Masa kat malay mail dulu pun dtg kerja mabok. Nak masok opis pun susah nak buka pintu. Kunci opis jatuh pun tak dapat nak amik. Malu lah aku sebagai melayu islam mabok like keling mabok todi je.Mimpi nak jadi group editor plak tu, Just because he think najib is in jis favour.

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  18. I'm not a regular blogger but I'm sure what you did, revealling others identity without their concern was a pathetic thing to do bro. Even swine knows it's wrong. You are such unethical blogger that betray other comrade's trust. Just try to learn to respect other's believe next time.

    NYC Malay

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  19. I had been umno supporter for a long time. Si penyapu parpu kari ni baru je ahli umno dah merapu macam macam. Di blog dia kena maki hamun je tak satu pn sokong idea si jahanam ni.Si haramjadah ni nak sangat orng sokong idea dia tapi sati pun tak bernas. maki hamun je orag yang tak sokong dia. Berubah lah parpu baru org nak dengar idea kau. kau ni like keling pariah je mabok minum todi.

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  20. Eleh expose orang lain boleh, tapi kena expose bising pulak. Sejak bila ada code of conduct ni? This is the World Wide Web bro.

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  21. hmmm...

    from this spat between rocky and sakmongkol, two comments are quite revealing ...


    1: FROM Sakmongkol answers Rocky-2 (in Sakmongkol)

    Sandra
    abang sak,

    puhleeze-lah, bang oi.

    rocky tak ada standing nak cakap bab morality atau apa-apa binatang tu sebab dia ni dah berbini, anak tiga tapi main betina.

    tak caya, bang -- buat-buat jadi betina dan ngurat dia pada blackbery dia, sms dia atau, email atau facebook dia. janji dia layan. janji dia ngurat tu, bang oi. over the top, bang oi. bukan saja muka nampak miang. memang miang!

    si rocky gatal kaki arak tu nak cakap pasal kewibawaan -- PODDAH!
    01 May 2009 19:59


    2: FROM Ground rules for blogging (in Rocky's bru)

    Pasquale

    I also know this Sakmongkol he is an ardent anti-Najib just because Najib does not entertained or approve his greedy, corrupt and self-centered attitude!
    His life serve only himself, he wants project to enrich himnself but when Najib said no he went against him! Ini Melayu babi ni!


    ****

    hmmmm interesting....

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  22. A Voice's id is well known n no secret...What's the fuss? Big Dog? He went on TV...

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  23. Sak, sikap mendedahkan dan balasannya diri sendiri terdedah, dilondeh dan terbogel..

    Andai untuk popular, menarik perhatian, publisiti murah, gelojoh macam KJ, teruskanlah...

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  24. Kluangman,

    Habis bloggers bogel betul betul, inikan 'itroduce' saja. Apa nak di besarkan sangat unless ada buat salahkan?

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  25. haha, sakmongkol kena panggil pokemon...hahahahha

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  26. This is a sad situation and state that you've brought yourself into, I'm sorry to say. You used to be a fair-minded blogger but this has deteriorated badly over the past couple week or so. You have changed a lot and I'm genuinely sad about this.

    I can only feel disappointment after reading your posts related to A Voice, Big Dog, and Rocky. Your arguments about the abuse of anonymity .... you are just digressing from the real matter, and you know it ...

    YOU HAD WRONGED A VOICE & BIG DOG BY REVEALING THEIR IDENTITIES. YOU HAD BETRAYED THE UNWRITTEN TRUST THEY HAD GIVEN YOU. That's all there is to it.

    They had chosen to be Anonymous - that's their right and something that we should respect. Maybe you had made a mistake ... did not realise what the ethics and codes of conduct concerning Internet privacy are.

    You could have apologised and that would be the end of the matter. See how A voice had carried himself. Unfortunately YOU find it beyond your ability to lower yourself and do the right thing. PRIDE ... this has eroded a lot of your previous credibility. Very unfortunate indeed.

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  27. Dato

    I second the motion by "dua sen" above. Pls go ahead and disregard the distractors.

    You are making a contribution to the country. Irrespective of whether your views are agreed by others or not. You are creating dialouges and discussions, bringing to the attention of readers the irregular and unacceptable happenings in the country. Nobody expects everybody to agree with everything you say. This, after all, is a democracy. But it serves a good purpose.

    There are always the ha ha, the hee hee and the rude kind. If you don't react to them - except when absolutely necessary on points of fact - they'll in time realise that nobody bothers about them. They are out to get attention, some behaving like small children, but don't give them the privilege of a response. I would, if I were you, just fold my arms around my chest, look at what they write in a sneering sort of way and tell myself, "Ah, it takes all sorts to make this world .." and just disregard them. I would strike out the really rude, obsene ones; doing so would be doing a service to your regular and appreciative audience.

    Some may not understand your friendly banter. Some one has explained above that it was intended just that. The initial responses from parties concerned suggested that they accepted it as that. I suppose just let it be like that.

    I know you have done what I've said above in most cases. I just wish to let you know we are behind you. Don't get personal, emotional or discouraged. Just continue writing the way you did in the past. And good luck to you.

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  28. Eh Dato Sak,

    pedulikan je la depa ni.

    they are trying to mow you down.

    Rocky, Anjing besar, A Voice all hypocrites lah...ni POLITICS...berani buat, berani blog, berani tanggung...bukan personal blogs.

    I may not be happy with your KJ promo because i think he is a dirty rat, and well, Mukhriz is a pathetic rat, and Najib is a pet rat of rosmah's...so semua sama je la...

    don't worry, don't let them bully you...ni taktik dia org je...

    macamlah org tak kenal who they are already in the first place la....

    just focus on your suggestions to improve the lot of the Malays.

    put this to rest, pedulikan lah...

    "anonsita"

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  29. sak

    have been reading your blog since it started. Although I may not agree with some of your argument, just keep doing what you have been doing, you are on the right side of history.

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  30. sakmongkol,

    may i just say something to Sandra?

    Thank you.

    SANDRA: you sound like a frustrated - rejected even - betina. Perhaps Rocky didn't layan you.

    poor thing.

    we know Rocky and he is no way "miang" as you have said.
    That could not be further from the truth.

    Actually, Rocky does not need me to defend him. But I just had to say my peace, i mean, piece.

    Out of respect for you, Sakmongkol, I shall refrain from saying worse to Sandra, or whatever her name is. Oh, Sandra could even be a "he".
    .

    thank you again.

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  31. i really do not understand about the whole idea of prevailing the truth identity issue here with KJ.

    Kome nih meroyan aper nak kaitkan isu ini dengan this rembau guy. no correlation at all.

    You all missing the point here. Dato Sak and Rocky Bru have different point of view about anonymity issue. What Dato Sak prevail is what he feel he should do. Otherwise people with hidden agenda will still remain in the system. This people that so call a LOSER should be put down and be reveal so that they will not taken anything for granted.

    Come on...

    Tak kan masih di takuk lama. Baling batu sorok tangan. Very typical MALAY DILEMMA...

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  32. SOALNYA SAKOKJ TAKDE MARUAH!

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  33. jangan jadi pencacai takde maruah la bro!

    AJAK ORG BERGADUH NI MANA PUNYA GENTLEMAN BRO!

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  34. Ajak gaduh???

    Who???

    No good. Eloknya duk bincang. Table talk. Baru betul-betul gentleman.

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  35. AKU TAK FAHAM LA DENGAN PENYOKONG DAN PENCACAI SI KJ NI, APA NAK JADI NI? KORANG SURUH ORANG LAIN JANGAN BUAT HAL, TAPI KORANG BOLEH BUAT SESUKA HATI KORANG KAN?

    INILAH MASALAHNYA, BILA DUDUK DALAM UMNO TAPI HATI KAT PKR! MACAM NILAH, APA KATA KALAU KORANG TAK PUAS HATI, BAIK KORANG JOIN PKR JE? KAN SENGAN GITU, BUAT APA NAK JADI MUSUH DALAM SELIMUT? KAN KE HARAMJADAH PERANGAI MACAM NI?

    MUNGKIN BUKAN SEMUA PENYOKONG KJ BEGITU NAMUN DARI PENGAMATAN AKU, NAMPAK MACAM MEMANG KEBANYAKANNYA ADALAH MUSUH DALAM SELIMUT! APA KAMU DAH JADI PEKAK KE ATAU BUTA HUH? TIDAKKAH KAMU MENDENGAR SUARA ORANG RAMAI?

    TIDAKKAH KAMU DENGAR AKAN KELUHAN ATAU PUN RINTIHAN KEBANYAKAN RAKYAT MALAYSIA TIDAK KIRA KAUM APA PUN YANG TIDAK MENYUKAI MANUSIA BERNAMA KJ NI? SELAMA INI AKU DIAM KERANA AKU NAK JAGA HATI SESETENGAH SAHABAT-SAHABAT AKU, TAPI BUKANKAH INI HIPOKRIT NAMANYA?

    AKU TAK SUKA MENJADI MANUSIA HIPOKRIT! AKU MEMANG TAK PERNAH SUKA KJ, NAMUN DEMI MENJAGA KEPENTINGAN PARTI DAN SUPAYA TIDAK BERLAKU PERPECAHAN LAGI MAKA AKU TERPAKSA MENERIMA MANUSIA YANG TAK DISUKAI OLEH RAKYAT MALAYSIA!

    TAPI SAMPAI BILA AKU HARUS MENIPU DIRI AKU NI? KENAPA KITA SAHJA YANG JAGA HATI ORANG LAIN, TAPI ORANG LAIN TAK PERNAH PEDULI TENTANG PERASAAN KITA? TAHUKAH ANDA BAHAWASANYA ADA SEGELINTIR PENYOKONG-PENYOKONG KJ NI SANGAT MELAMPAUI BATAS!

    MEREKA NI TAKDE ETIKA LANGSUNG! DEMI NAK MENYELAMATKAN TUAN MEREKA, MEREKA SANGGUP BUAT APA SAHAJA HATTA KALAU BOLEH BUNUH KARAKTER SESEORANG TU PUN MEREKA SANGGUP! APA NAK JADI NI? SAMPAI BILA KITA HARUS MENUNDUK PADA KJ NI!?

    YANG PALING MENYEDIHKAN, KITA ADALAH DARI KALANGAN PENYOKONG DALAM PARTI YANG SAMA, KENAPA NAK BERSIKAP DEMIKIAN? KENAPA DEMI NAK MENYELAMATKAN SEORANG PENGHANCUR UMNO KITA BERBALAH SESAMA SENDIRI?

    KENAPA LA KORANG NAK MEMPERTAHANKAN SEORANG PENGHANCUR UMNO YANG RAKYAT MALAYSIA SENDIRI TAK NAK? BAGI AKU KJ TAK PENTING! YANG PENTING ADALAH UMNO DAN BN, KITA HARUS FIKIRKAN BAGAIMANA NAK MENAIKKAN UMNO SEMULA, TAPI PERSOALANNYA, MACAMANA NAK NAIKKAN UMNO SEKIRANYA FAKTOR KEHANCURAN UMNO MASIH DALAM UMNO?

    COME ON, WAKE UP LA...AKU TAK KIRA, SALAH TETAP SALAH, DAH LA DISABITKAN DENGAN RASUAH DALAM UMNO DIA MENANG JUGAK, PASTU PENGIKUT2 DIA YANG TAK SEDAR DIRI NI, NAK TUNJUK LAGAK PULAK! KORANG NI ADA AKAL KE? WHERE IS YOUR BRAIN WEH?

    KEPADA PENYOKONG KJ YANG TAK BERAPA EKSTREM TU, AKU TAK KISAH LA, SUKAHATI LA KORANG NAK SOKONG SEORANG PEMUSNAH UMNO, ITU HAK KORANG, TAPI JANGANLAH BUNUH SESAMA UMNO!

    BAGI AKU SIMPLE JE, SALAH TETAP SALAH, KITA TAK BOLEH NAK REBRAND ATAU REPACKAGE NAJIS! BUATLAH MACAMANA PUN NAJIS TETAP NAJIS, WALAU KITA PROSES MACAMANA PUN KITA TAK AKAN BERJAYA, TERIMALAH HAKIKAT INI!

    JANGAN NAK BERLAKON DAN NAK BUAT WAYANG, KATA NAK BAGI DIA PELUANG LA, NAK BAGI ITU LA, INI LA...PERSOALAN SEKARANG SIAPA YANG LEBIH PENTING UMNO ATAU KJ?

    TAKKAN LA DEMI NAK NAIKKAN DIA SEMULA, PENGIKUT-PENGIKUT DIA SANGGUP BUAT APA SAHAJA? TOLONG LA, KITA NAK MENAIKKAN UMNO SEMULA, BUKAN NAK MENGHANCURKAN LAGI! MACAMANA NAK CAKAP UMNO DAH BERUBAH KALAU KITA MASIH SIMPAN YANG MENGHANCURKAN PARTI KERAMAT NI DALAM UMNO?

    PEDIH DAN PAHIT KAN? TAPI INILAH HAKIKATNYA! SELEPAS NI AKU PERCAYA AKU AKAN DISERANG OLEH PENGIKUT-PENGIKUT KJ, AKU TAK KISAH LA, AKU DAH JEMU DAN MUAK MENJADI SEORANG HIPOKRIT! NAK JAGA HATI KONON! PEGI MAMPOSLAH!

    PENYOKONG KJ NI YANG PALING AKU TAK TAHAN IALAH APABILA MEREKA MENGUTUK TUN DR MAHATHIR IKUT SUKA HATI MEREKA SAHAJA!

    HOI BAHALOL, SIAPALAH SI MANGKOK KJ NI KALAU NAK DIBANDINGKAN DENGAN TUN DR MAHATHIR YA? APA PUNYA BODOH LA KORANG NI? LAGI SATU YANG AKU TAU BLOG PENJILAT KJ NI PUN TA LAH HEBAT MANA PUN, SEMUA BLOG SYOK SENDIRI JE, CONTOH MACAM KPMU TU, MUAHAHAHAHAHA, AKU RASA YANG BACA TU SEMUA PENJILAT TEGAR KJ JE!

    KEPADA DATO SERI NAJIB DAN TAN SRI MUHYIDDIN, SELAMATKANLAH UMNO! TOLONG, KAMI TAK NAK UMNO HANCUR! KAMI SAYANGKAN UMNO!

    KAMI TAK NAK PENGKHIANAT DALAM UMNO!

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