tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1604477176521753208.post4609668764008688244..comments2024-03-14T19:25:05.015+08:00Comments on SAKMONGKOL AK47: Pagan God and Uslub Mujadalah.Ariff Sabrihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04134536173557859031noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1604477176521753208.post-44709089620795619442010-01-11T23:11:33.506+08:002010-01-11T23:11:33.506+08:00Salam Dato',
"You don't read the Qur...Salam Dato',<br /><br />"You don't read the Quran as you do a story book or novel."<br /> Betul, betul (eh, bunyi mcm upin dn ipin lak). I see a lot of it these days. Pluck any Quranic verse to support your stand. Tanpa siasat, context dsb nya.<br /><br />An englightening piece, Dato. Bagi saya ada munafaat baca blog ini. Tahu lah saya sekarang bahwa Dato' ada lah seorang alfijamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14751743020854962204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1604477176521753208.post-66202841386463088122010-01-11T08:05:16.460+08:002010-01-11T08:05:16.460+08:00..and a church in Indonesia:
http://is.gd/629ox..and a church in Indonesia:<br /><br />http://is.gd/629oxwallahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17580252352785040456noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1604477176521753208.post-2575288007013458692010-01-11T05:49:03.604+08:002010-01-11T05:49:03.604+08:00Dear Dato,
If the article by RPK is true that Umno...Dear Dato,<br />If the article by RPK is true that Umno is behind this church attack, then Malaysia is really in big 'shit'.<br />[Perhaps you are the one who may know more]<br />This will definitely drive the Western (Christian) investors away from Malaysia and perhaps even trade embargo.<br />The future prospect: No economic advancement and the poor Melayu will suffer more. So how Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1604477176521753208.post-37246339011559850432010-01-11T02:57:34.361+08:002010-01-11T02:57:34.361+08:00Excellent piece of writing. Months ago I had argue...Excellent piece of writing. Months ago I had argued against the use of the word Allah by the Church. <br /><br />Does not being allowed to use the word change one religious freedom/meaning/etc.<br /><br />All I have to say is ..father forgive them.Bob PaL-aNi-SaM-yhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17205610855735446556noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1604477176521753208.post-48075394896541267602010-01-10T23:20:54.560+08:002010-01-10T23:20:54.560+08:00A Malaysian Christian said
"Frankly if you ...A Malaysian Christian said <br /><br />"Frankly if you want to bring in history, there is nothing to discuss further because it is irrelevant to today's situation."<br /><br />History is relevant. From history we can get the correct perspectives why certain things happened? It is our duty to prevent future conflicts if we read and understand the history well.<br /><br />"ThereAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1604477176521753208.post-81471456880573668062010-01-10T21:43:40.416+08:002010-01-10T21:43:40.416+08:00Dear Dato,
Even the churches in Sarawak were attac...Dear Dato,<br />Even the churches in Sarawak were attacked. What next? <br />It looks like Malaysia is heading towards the route to Pakistan.<br /><br />My advice is Sarawak & Sabah should leave Malaysia now and formation a federation with Brunei.<br />They will be better off than with Bodoh Malaysia.<br /><br />AAAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1604477176521753208.post-28631094988551805012010-01-10T18:58:40.909+08:002010-01-10T18:58:40.909+08:00Anon 17:58
Again another warped logic in public.
...Anon 17:58<br /><br />Again another warped logic in public.<br /><br />"Mosques in Gaza and the West Bank are systemically being destroyed by the Jewish State of Israel. And the action of these Zionists are sponsored by Christian America."<br /><br />For your ignorant information, America is not a Christian country.<br /><br />They are not even allowed to display the cross in public Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1604477176521753208.post-62566374927500587422010-01-10T17:58:22.209+08:002010-01-10T17:58:22.209+08:00Dear Marina d/o ex-PM,
Mosques in Gaza and the We...Dear Marina d/o ex-PM,<br /><br />Mosques in Gaza and the West Bank are systemically being destroyed by the Jewish State of Israel. And the action of these Zionists are sponsored by Christian America.<br /><br />With your intellectuality, sense of fairmindedness, protector of the oppressed and champion of the underdog, we look forward to your kind assistance.<br /><br />Thank you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1604477176521753208.post-39424873714221496232010-01-10T11:47:10.616+08:002010-01-10T11:47:10.616+08:00Anon 09:24
Frankly if you want to bring in histor...Anon 09:24<br /><br />Frankly if you want to bring in history, there is nothing to discuss further because it is irrelevant to today's situation.<br /><br />There are a thousand more times more intolerance occurring on all sides because they are only human.<br /><br />The issue I am bringing up here is here in Malaysia or the world TODAY is that generally Christains do not go violent on Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1604477176521753208.post-44692237175971810932010-01-10T10:32:49.273+08:002010-01-10T10:32:49.273+08:00History, History, history. A lot has been said abo...History, History, history. A lot has been said about wars made in the name of GOD. In truth, in every war there is a hidden and selfish agenda by human beings. <br />It don't matter who started it, but it is never GOD's plan.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1604477176521753208.post-87035494202326011702010-01-10T10:20:09.349+08:002010-01-10T10:20:09.349+08:00Mingxhin said
"And why would you want to br...Mingxhin said <br /><br />"And why would you want to bring up old history of the Crusades and such?"<br /><br />We need to learn from history in order not to repeat the same mistake. Famous quote by George Satyana 'Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.'<br /><br />"The Christianity of today is not the same as the Christianity of a thousand years agoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1604477176521753208.post-75980367563327673152010-01-10T09:24:04.413+08:002010-01-10T09:24:04.413+08:00Anonymous 1:28 said
"Christ preached "f...Anonymous 1:28 said<br /><br />"Christ preached "forgiveness" very strongly and evidence is there for all to see Christians generally do follow this compared to certain religion. Surely you do know what is going on in the world right?"<br /><br />Hmmm.. Let see the evidence then,<br /><br />1.Crusaders slaughtered hundreds of thousands Jews and Muslims during the Crusades Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1604477176521753208.post-37440256104413507882010-01-10T08:18:24.484+08:002010-01-10T08:18:24.484+08:00Mingxhin,
You forgot. We are not going back into ...Mingxhin,<br /><br />You forgot. We are not going back into ancient times. Far from it.<br /><br />WW1 was started by Christians.<br />WW11 was started by Christians.<br /><br />Hiroshima and Nagasaki were nuked by Christians.<br /><br />Aren't the above recent anough for you.<br /><br />Now go back and read your history books. And I am no Muslim.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1604477176521753208.post-86711775128780906822010-01-10T05:03:52.289+08:002010-01-10T05:03:52.289+08:00And why would you want to bring up old history of ...And why would you want to bring up old history of the Crusades and such? The Christianity of today is not the same as the Christianity of a thousand years ago.<br /><br />The same can be said for Muslims. I urge the Muslims to be more open-minded and creative, how are you going to restore Islam back to it's glory days when Christianity was still in the Dark Ages?<br /><br />Now the reverse ismingxhinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16223986902339149305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1604477176521753208.post-71826205179817614822010-01-10T04:30:16.124+08:002010-01-10T04:30:16.124+08:00Salam dan Selamat sejahtera Dato'.
The follow...Salam dan Selamat sejahtera Dato'.<br /><br />The following was my comment to Marina's "Confident People Do Not Get Confused" and with your permission, I would like to share this with your readers. Thank you.<br /><br />***********************************<br /><br />Dear Datin Paduka Marina<br /><br />Salam and Happy New Year to you.<br /><br />I’ve read some of the postings/Il nome mio nessun saprànoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1604477176521753208.post-73337675793804900642010-01-10T04:04:41.482+08:002010-01-10T04:04:41.482+08:00Datuk Sak
How do you reconcile your arguments on ...Datuk Sak<br /><br />How do you reconcile your arguments on PAS's position. These are ulamas and Islamic scholars, no some kampung politicians albeit on the opposite fence of UMNO.<br /><br />I thought their arguments are convincing both from the religion stand point and from the political standpoint.<br /><br />Whether Allah is different as used by pagans in pre-Islamic time and that after Franknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1604477176521753208.post-1632167587920447672010-01-10T02:07:55.372+08:002010-01-10T02:07:55.372+08:00Dear Anonymous,
What about the Spanish Acquisition...Dear Anonymous,<br />What about the Spanish Acquisition? The fact is (self-proclaimed) followers of every organised religion are capable of genocide and murder? If what u say is true, why were there about the same number of deaths in Maluku between Muslims and Christians? If Christians don't retaliate because they r do full of love, why did the Maluku and Bosnia conflict take place?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1604477176521753208.post-20785478609687968492010-01-10T01:28:33.055+08:002010-01-10T01:28:33.055+08:00Anon 23:16
Christ preached "forgiveness"...Anon 23:16<br /><br />Christ preached "forgiveness" very strongly and evidence is there for all to see Christians generally do follow this compared to certain religion. Surely you do know what is going on in the world right? <br /><br />Have you compared how Christians reacted so far? Peaceful or violent?<br /><br />Evidence , evidence and evidence.<br /><br />(But if you come to burn Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1604477176521753208.post-66546174763291527272010-01-10T00:23:08.609+08:002010-01-10T00:23:08.609+08:00Anonymous 23:16 said
"The Christians will ga...Anonymous 23:16 said<br /><br />"The Christians will gather in church and say in their prayers...<br /><br />" Oh Lord, forgive them . They know not what they do.<br /><br />Amen"<br /><br />Retaliate ? No Christians do not do that. They forgive in their prayers."<br /><br />Hmmm... Christians forgive in their prayers,In bible there are aslo few interesting verses that Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1604477176521753208.post-64190190433181840572010-01-09T23:57:48.842+08:002010-01-09T23:57:48.842+08:00Dato'
I am a retired non-Muslim. I count Anwe...Dato'<br /><br />I am a retired non-Muslim. I count Anwer Ibrahim as my contemporary in UM in the early 1970's.<br /><br />I have no specific academic knowledge about Islam and therefore cannot have an objective opinion on the issue of Allah. However, with my very close working and social relationships with numerous Malay Muslims, I am convinced that the term Allah is exclusively reservedAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1604477176521753208.post-79935688780134377192010-01-09T23:29:28.598+08:002010-01-09T23:29:28.598+08:00Dato',
Thank you for a very logical, lucid and...Dato',<br />Thank you for a very logical, lucid and objective explanation. Allah to Muslims cannot be accepted as mere translation of the word God. When we say Allah we are specific in that Allah embodies all the 'sifat' and attributs as stated in the Koran. And I agree with you, you cannot quote verses from Koran in isolation or in the way that you quote poetry etc, understanding of NanaDJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09705873791340029515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1604477176521753208.post-27040751674591724822010-01-09T23:16:19.612+08:002010-01-09T23:16:19.612+08:00Dear all,
Let's see who is more tolerant.
Th...Dear all,<br /><br />Let's see who is more tolerant.<br /><br />The Christians will gather in church and say in their prayers...<br /><br />" Oh Lord, forgive them . They know not what they do.<br /><br />Amen"<br /><br />Retaliate ? No Christians do not do that. They forgive in their prayers. <br /><br />Why I know? Because I am one of them<br /><br />Amen.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1604477176521753208.post-89269396177270972832010-01-09T22:55:40.789+08:002010-01-09T22:55:40.789+08:00That's why there is a verse in the Quran which...That's why there is a verse in the Quran which says, "when asked about who their Lord is, they answered, it's Allah. (Say)Then why then do you idolise other than Allah?<br /><br />We must understand that no followers of any religion on this planet believe that a Jesus (or Mary) statue, stone, tree or a picture is Allah. They just believe that these idols can intercede with Allah on Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1604477176521753208.post-74150029019045181822010-01-09T22:26:09.533+08:002010-01-09T22:26:09.533+08:00Bro Sak , your ability to present you views in a c...Bro Sak , your ability to present you views in a clear concise manner is indeed commedable. Perhaps, you should volunteer on behalf of the muslim community (those who agrees with you) to have an open interfaith dialogue. <br />Perhaps, you would be able to reason with the Christians (not only Catholics believe in Jesus Christ as son of God) to drop the term "Allah".<br />Also it is Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1604477176521753208.post-35550837389443719582010-01-09T21:38:42.731+08:002010-01-09T21:38:42.731+08:00Why can't the Christians take the name of God ...Why can't the Christians take the name of God as called by Jesus in Aramaic. Jesus preached the Jews in Aramaic and fortunately there are Aramaic verses in today Bible e.g Eli Eli lama sabachtani.Jesus called his God "Eli" or "Eloi". Why can't Christians as a whole adopted a single God name instead the name changes according to language. God in English, Deus in Latin,Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com