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Monday, 26 January 2009

Looking out for the next Ketua Pemuda

Before the KT elections, I wrote an article, titled choosing our Leaders. I divided the article into several parts. Parts One and Two were already posted. As the 3rd part contains some reference to Khairy Jamaludin( KJ), I decided to defer posting it. It was done to prevent people misconstruing it as an attempt to campaign for KJ. As the KT election was ongoing then, to do so would be doing it in bad taste. Unfortunately, there were aspirants to leadership posts doing just that during the KT elections. UMNO should kick out these fellows.

Remember, we promised ourselves never to refer to family background or ties in our judgement. We look at objective measurements.

This is where the analysis becomes interesting. Each candidate has his strong points. There’s no guarantee our judgement is value free. For example, if I were to list down KJ’s good points, I am sure; each will be met with a disapproving counter. That notwithstanding, I shall go ahead and ask.

What’s so objectionable about KJ then? It is not unobvious that I am rooting in for KJ for the simple reason; I am waiting for some arguments to prove me wrong. Until then, even for the fleeting reason of annoying those rooting in for either KT or MM, my bet remains with KJ.

Now let’s see.

The first objection is, Oh…. because KJ is so obnoxious, brash and a cocky bastard. My answer, what’s new about being young, with lots of money and feeling powerful among the UMNO young guns? Aren’t these a part of their constitution? Even the older jocks in UMNO such as Nazri Aziz, Ismail Sabri, JJ( don’t you know who I am? to a waitress. Saya menteri tau! ), other lesser known mortals behaving as though we owe them our loving are acting brash, obnoxious and cocky. What else is new? Jail all those young punks who are obnoxious? Then we have to set up a special Sungai Buloh for sons and daughters of ministers and UMNO bigwigs. Put Nazri Aziz’s son as ketua.

The non-KJs in UMNO are also behaving the same manner and these don’t have half of his brain. The fault (temporary) lies in being young. That soon will pass. Even KJ however mighty he feels will have to submit to the weight of sobriety.

But… he got rich by dubious means. You wail and gesture to ECM Libra, Air Asia, other deals here and there, anyone which you know that I don’t know. My counter, hey, what’s new in UMNO? All the UMNOniks got rich through the same way, leveraging on your power and inside knowledge. Didn’t all the UMNO ministers and others get rich this way? So what’s the beef with KJ IF he did get rich that-a-way? You would be an imbecile if you don’t leverage on your power. In that sense, I am an ignoramus. Having served as an ADUN for one term only and being physically proximate to the coming PM, I still lived in a rented house. Maybe the next time I meet any of these fellows, I will ask them to belanja me teh tarik or something. Only that my teh tarik will cost one unit of Puma helicopter or a percentage of a Scorpene submarine!

KJ and his band of 4th floor brats are exercising undue influence on cabinet members. They are interfering into the affairs of state. My answer, only because you allow them to do so. That’s because you have so many skeletons in your cupboards or you don’t have the mental wherewithal to stave off the intrusions. The option for these weak-kneed ministers and top government officials is to resign. Quit your jobs and go cry in the corner.

I say this: - UMNO is subjected to the law of diminishing returns; the addition of one additional irritant does not alter the character of UMNO. What is that? UMNO is already too rancid that the addition of one KJ (assuming he has all those qualities the anti-KJ say), DOES NOT alter the image of UMNO. So why oppose KJ when the rest of the UMNO body politic is already too rotten? I mean, lets not be sanctimonious. We would better off disqualifying all the whole gangbang and support KJ.

That aside, it is what KJ represents that I find attractive. I may not necessarily like him, but what he represents, I like. He represents the new order- young, brash, brainy and not bounded to the old style. Malaysia needs that.

So, boys and girls, prove me wrong. Vote for Mukhriz brings you back to the old cycle. Vote for KJ breaks the cycle and open doors for all. KT? The ignoramus has got nothing to offer- just wait for his can of worms to open up by Khalid Ibrahim.

KJ represents to me, the change agent that UMNO seeks. The one who breaks up the leadership oligarchy hitherto confined to existing power holders. I have written about this in a previous article entitled the vicious cycle.

We also want a leader who can articulate his ideas and thoughts, not someone who drones boringly about what he is doing on a day to day basis. These kinds of leaders are a dime a dozen- in UMNO as well as the PR people. These drones are typified by ADUNs and parliamentarians, who report what they do on a day to day basis. These include giving out angpows to elderly, handing out bags of rice and food items, cuddling a baby, handing a cow for slaughter, reporting about a hari raya and New Year gathering. Hello boys and girls, you are not a Boy Scout troop leader or Girl Guide captain. We want to listen to your ideas. We are looking for your thought leadership.

We want them to present us their ideas on the burning issues of the day. Issues like Education, the state of our economy, race relations, party building etc. While the others seem evasive and playing politics with some of these issues, I see KJ brave enough to endure the accompanying brickbats to present and articulate leadership in thinking.

We seem to be so imprisoned with the idea of behaving the proper way in choosing the ketua pemuda. Such a behaviour rules out people whom we think do not conform to our personal preferences. Gentlemen, this is not a game of bagatelle. It cannot be so refined where a few gentlemen crowd around the billiard table playing it. It cannot be so controlled like this indoor game.

39 comments:

Anonymous,  26 January 2009 at 14:03  

I like this article sak! Tapi mapuuh mu keno belasoh!! Hidup KJ!!

Are You Gonna Go My Way,  26 January 2009 at 14:18  

Dato',

Well..if you put it that way...mmm..yea maybe..he's right and ripe for the job.... but

please Mr.KJ....I tengah buat proposal for 1 projek ni...this is my only hope to make honest money..after bertahun2 kene kencing...

so..I beg you Mr.KJ, jangan la potong trip saya....yang lain2 tu you ambik pun takpa lah....okay

Tolong ek.....

Anonymous,  26 January 2009 at 15:40  

Bungkus UMNO ... garenti!

Anonymous,  26 January 2009 at 16:09  

siapa kata- hidup UMNO, gerenti

Aminuddin,  26 January 2009 at 16:13  

Dato Sak,

Knew KJ at university, and yes he has changed a lot, and so have many of us. However, what i see of KJ is that, after all the abuse he got from Tun Mahathir, Anwar, Mukhriz, Khir, bloogers alike, he has still managed to slog his way around UMNO unaffected by it all.

I always knew he was a smart chap and had a streak of being cocky, but he never was given a chance from the word go. Of course there was a caution in the wind in Malaysia Today's infamous fiction the Khairy Chronicles, but what if there were more aspiring young leaders coming up? Must they join the in vogue Pakatan Rakyat which its only sole reason of existence is to destroy BN/UMNO and not help the people (i.e non value adding MP's like Nurrul Izzah, Lo Gwo Burne). Would every aspirant be run down by the blogs, Division heads, parti reps? Is the true test of political succession is demonisation and character assasination? If it is, KJ has done well for himself, altough he needs to work hard to change the perception that has tainted him and following him like pariah dog.

His interview in Off the Edge was very candid and showed another side of him, like you Dato i support this young lad and might just consider Mukhriz although he isnt the sharpest tool in the shed, and Khir? He is just a low down dirty shame....

Believe It,  26 January 2009 at 16:19  

I refer to this passage of yours, below

But… he got rich by dubious means. You wail and gesture to ECM Libra, Air Asia, other deals here and there, anyone which you know that I don’t know. My counter, hey, what’s new in UMNO? All the UMNOniks got rich through the same way, leveraging on your power and inside knowledge. Didn’t all the UMNO ministers and others get rich this way? So what’s the beef with KJ IF he did get rich that-a-way? You would be an imbecile if you don’t leverage on your power. In that sense, I am an ignoramus. Having served as an ADUN for one term only and being physically proximate to the coming PM, I still lived in a rented house. Maybe the next time I meet any of these fellows, I will ask them to belanja me teh tarik or something. Only that my teh tarik will cost one unit of Puma helicopter or a percentage of a Scorpene submarine!

KJ and his band of 4th floor brats are exercising undue influence on cabinet members. They are interfering into the affairs of state. My answer, only because you allow them to do so. That’s because you have so many skeletons in your cupboards or you don’t have the mental wherewithal to stave off the intrusions. The option for these weak-kneed ministers and top government officials is to resign. Quit your jobs and go cry in the corner.

I say this: - UMNO is subjected to the law of diminishing returns; the addition of one additional irritant does not alter the character of UMNO. What is that? UMNO is already too rancid that the addition of one KJ (assuming he has all those qualities the anti-KJ say), DOES NOT alter the image of UMNO. So why oppose KJ when the rest of the UMNO body politic is already too rotten? I mean, lets not be sanctimonious. We would better off disqualifying all the whole gangbang and support KJ.


I can't believe you play down and take it easy on issues of corruption and abuse of power. The fall of every civilisation is due to corruption and compromised morality. There is just no excuse and no justification. Nor is there a question of choice.

I am no fan club member of Mukhriz neither. No wonder your blog appear on KJ's blogroll for quite sometime. All the while you were pretending to support this and that person.

You are as cheap and devious as any UMNO leaders and wakil rakyat. Its most despicable!

Reset your moral compass. Theer is just no compromise on good values. It doesn't matter how great the son-of-a-bitch is.

I'm beginning to see why the Najib that you despise so much dump you. Padanlah ...

It shows UMNO is not listening.

Believe nothing,  26 January 2009 at 16:35  

Believe it,

Its Nazim RAZAK'S deal the scorpene using razak baginda's law firm. Believe THAT!

Kiryu,  26 January 2009 at 16:38  

Dear Dato' Sak,
My understanding is that: -
1-Getting rich by dubious means is OK
2-Unelected 4th floor boys controlling the cabinet is OK
3-UMNO is rancid to the core and adding KJ makes no difference
4-Shooting from the Lip is better than voting a person who happens to be a son of so and so.

Well then, I'll do one better than vote for KJ...
I'll not vote UMNO!

I do not wish to change your mind on who should you root for, nor do I wish to change your party preferences, but with writings like this from a respectable blogger, it is easier not to vote for UMNO.

WATCHMEN,  26 January 2009 at 16:41  

Khairy was a victim of Anwar's spin doctoring with RPK with the now deceased Adlan Berhan the ex political aide of Anwar. They knew, to get Pak lah out was to create 5the perception the Khairy was the puppet master, and worst apart from the public, Mahathir believed it. It was actually Kamal Badawi. KJ like any other menentu, was just a menantu. Nori was more influential, just ask any of the Ministers, it was Kamal never Khairy.

Anonymous,  26 January 2009 at 16:50  

Dato,

Your argument:-
So, boys and girls, prove me wrong. Vote for Mukhriz brings you back to the old cycle. Vote for KJ breaks the cycle and open doors for all. KT? The ignoramus has got nothing to offer- just wait for his can of worms to open up by Khalid Ibrahim.

Personally, I have no problem to follow the old cycle, as long as the candidate is capable and has substance, such as Mukhriz. He is not involve in money politics & from my point of view, he is sincere.

Unlike KJ, he is arrogant and has personal interest, to gain power & money (& mostly for other UMNO members too). So, if he wins, the old cycle of corrupt and self interest leaders will continue again.

KT, same view as you.

For me to choose the right candidate, i will refer back to the Umno objective:-
UMNO adalah sebuah parti politik yang berjuang mendukung cita-cita kebangsaan Melayu demi mengekalkan maruh dan martabat bangsa, agama dan negara.

So, the person that I can see is sincerely fighting for the above cause is Mukhriz. Tq

Rizal76

Anonymous,  26 January 2009 at 16:55  

Believe It said.
I am sure it gives you great pleasure to say 'padan muka' to Dato'.

So many people criticise their leaders for the betterment of the party.If you have conclude he despises Dato' Najib good for you.If you now despises Dato sak for supporting KJ why get so upset??
That goes for any of you.If Dato have a soft spot for the despicable KJ, why are you guys so upset and irritated huh?????
Go lah and support MM or Khir Toyo or DSAI or LKitSiang!
Whats stopping you guys??Why the crazy temper!!!!!

Pro Toyo,  26 January 2009 at 17:14  

rizal76,

u must be joking mukhriz doesnt play money politics. Just ask his machinery like faizal azumu from ipoh barat, sazmi miah from kelantan, nafiz from kuala pilah, Oya from Simppang renggam are all the money man for mukhriz. its typical mahathirist politics, disown the truth then do it, its all perception. money are exchanging hands in the name of mukhriz mahathir. anas his UIA student is the innocent looking chap diving delegates to his uncle maha's house and lickin the envelopes full of money...and thanks to uncle vincent tan too, with robin tan sendung the bags in to his office in mont kiara (mukhriz)....its all there if you want to see it.

Anonymous,  26 January 2009 at 17:39  

Pro Toyo,

You can say whatever names that are related to Mukhriz, but I still believe that he is not involve in money politics. Tq.

Rizal76

Anonymous,  26 January 2009 at 18:36  

dont get rile up. you are free to support other candidates by advancing cogent reasons and arguments.
i see the following. if KJ is a lost cause, this dato's support form him is nor materail isnt it? the danger of this dato's position, is that his arguments are reasonable and may win converts. that's what scares the shit out of certain people, especialy that person who hit below the belt by saying padanlah dato najib dumped him.
by all means, extol the virtues of your taikor. present yr argument so that people can tear them to pieces.
some people simply miss the point. exmaples of rampant corruption and moral depravities were probably given to distinguish the relative cleanliness of KJ.
the other two, are not saints. better choose the lesser of all the evil doers.
to dato sakmongkol, ignore these remarks from maggots you find in human excretions.

sakmongkol AK47 26 January 2009 at 18:49  

dear readers,
see what i mean? it all boils down to i believe that and this. i have yet to see plausible arguments.
so far i see reasoning from mr aminudin. even then, he has not finalised who he wants to choose. if he is a pemuda delegate, it is people like him i want to reason with.

Ahmad,  26 January 2009 at 18:49  

Watchmen,

DSAI has nothing to do with Khairy and he wasn't the one who coined the 4th floor boys neither did he launch personal attacks against Khairy. It was only Tun DR M who made a personal pledge to see Khairy die. Did you ever see DSAI minding KJ? I'm not aware of that. KJ has a perception problem which has been caused by his conduct like insulting old people. For example during the March 08 elections, he said Nik Aziz knew nothing and he should retire. You think Kelantense take that lightly? He has badmouthed DSAI too, you think pple take it lightly? He has acted as if he was the PM, and wants to comment on every issue, you think pple take that lightly. I support Khir Toyo.

Anonymous,  26 January 2009 at 18:55  

KJ open UMNO for all...yes i agree..open UMNO to all forms of disaster.

KJ is spite among the large segment of society and tis is the man that u so wanting to be the KP of UMNo.

God save UMNo than...

drputera

sakmongkol AK47 26 January 2009 at 19:04  

readers,
this is not a blog for small kinds. if you just give a statement without supporting reasoning, that proves you are mentally challenged. i am sorry to say that.
dr putera- you beli this qualification from the place ariff shah omar shah did or are you another 'dr zainal'

sakmongkol AK47 26 January 2009 at 19:06  

correction

not a blog for small kids

Anonymous,  26 January 2009 at 21:47  

KJ is a good case study of what persistent and concerted negative media attacks could do to a personality. I just hope that truth and justice will prevail and he will lead the nation.

Anonymous,  26 January 2009 at 21:47  

MM is a non value adding person while KT is just a power-hungry chap

Dhahran Sea,  26 January 2009 at 23:49  

Salam Tok Sak,
Interesting challenge... let me see... IF KJ is NOT the SIL... then? Well you can argue back: What if MM is NOT the son-of-TDM? Now that leaves KT... so what is the "sompetitive advantage" of KT vs KJ & MM? His experiences & track records? NOT that enviable I must say? So if we strip KJ of his SIL-baggage and MM of his son-of-TDM-baggage and compare the two? What has each REALLY ACCOMPLISHED untuk bangsa & negara for the past, say 5 years? Lets see... KJ... "padedoh" strategy to win over K'tan... was a flop?! Huhahuha! @ P.Pauh?... was a non-factor... another Huhahuha! @ KT'ganu... backfired/flop... Mat Rempit program? Remember that?... Demo. anti-American?... non-factors.. So WHAT HAS HE ACCOMPLISHED/DELIVERED that has SIGNIFICANT IMPACT on Malays & negara? ... honestly Tok, I CAN'T RECALL ANYTHING!? As for MM? You do the analysis pulak?... NOW the "SWOT ANALYSIS" of the two... Lets see... the "THREAT" bit: KJ... ECM Libra, 4th Fl boys... MM: ??? You fill in the blanks.. So between the TWO? Tepuk dada tanya selera!?

Anonymous,  27 January 2009 at 01:05  

Dear Dato'
All the anti Khairy's are stupid and cannot come up with any logical arguments. I know this from experience.

Anonymous,  27 January 2009 at 09:56  

Dato Ariff

What do you mean by plausible argument? Do you mean an argument is plausible when information disregarded and public perception ignored?

For a politician, that is one dunce of a political argument. You can earn some big marks on literary prowess for your English but a sure failure as a politician.

Choosing KJ is a sure way to put UMNO in the dumpster. PAS, DAP and PKR will be sure happy. Your political views are more suitable to PR and KJ actually. YOu've long been ridiculing Nationalism as
ideology. Then you and KJ have no business to be in UMNO.

Khairy is not acceptable by the akarumbi and more important pengundi. He failed in all election campaign.

He continue to behave and create more and more negative perception of himself. Most are self inflicted out of his brash and arrogance self.

Looks like you've made a Pak Lah-like decision on Wan Farid. No amount of PR and reimaging can change him. He has to buy his time.

Khairy is not a solution. He is the problem.

If the anti Khairy are claimed to be stupid and lacking logical argument, then the pro Khairy (inclusive of Dato Ariff) are in self denial.

They choose to ignore fact and information, and plainly doing unsubstantiated justification. THat is something no politican will do. Most information used by politician is not based on publicly available information. not

This posting inviteed setiakawan bloggers to push away allegations against KJ as mere speculative and perception game.

BUt what is most puzzling is you claimed plausible your argument that Mukhriz be brush aside for reason he is TDM's son and yet allow Khairy who is a son in law to a man whose not blessed with many children. Khairy is practically a son. How shallow can that be????

Talk of plausibkle argument. It is unbelievable that Dato Ariff could ignore the most obvious suspicion that KJ only came up with an MP salary excuse recently but have been prancing around as the wealthiest unemployed.

ECM Libra is a clear outright case of corruption. But your argument agst corruption is everyone in UMNO did it. WHat is your moral compass. Opps ... thats not plausible argument. Morality is irrrelevent for public life. ... Good luck. Thats UMNO logic at it's best.

DMM and DSKT have achieved many things in their life. What career resume have Khairy? Yet he prance around as the wealthiest unemployed.

Thus far KJ is all theories and the manifestation of his attempt to put theory to practise are his whispering to Pak Lah, open defense of sleepy's policy, going along with their lying psywar, and "instructions" to 4th floor. I guess thats not a plausible argument but speculative to you.

Frankly you have lost any moral standing to talk of saving UMNO by your set of plausible arguments or precisely convoluted excuses. How could you save UMNO when you have chosen KJ as your choice and place UMNO as a sure loser!

Continue with your plausible arguments until PRU13 is over. IF KJ is KP then, I can bet my home the result will negative. Sorry not plausible an argument.

Anonymous,  27 January 2009 at 10:45  

Anonymous who thinks Dato Ariff and KJ should be sacked from UMNO..goody..puashati kan?

What has DMM done? You mean to say what has Tun Mahathir done?MM is leaning totally on his father's track record.
And he will keep running back to his father to run for advice.He is a weakling and cannot think for himself!

If Pak Lah is so lousy, blame Tun Mahathir for picking him as successor to the premiership!Tun misjudged Pak Lah.He thought Pak Lah will take orders from him.Yes..MM will because MM is his son!MM will carry out orders from Tun Mahathir!!

And Kt?? Well congrats to him for helping PKR conquer Selangor!!

sakmongkol AK47 27 January 2009 at 10:58  

anon at 9:56.
i shall be replying to your reservations and disgust in an article. for the moment:-
the measure of unexplained wealth seems to apply only to KJ, not to the others.
the abhorrence to KJ is grounded only on personal perception.
i remember another Malaysia who spoke out with his revolutionary ideas got booted out from UMNO but later came back to rule Malaysia for 22 years.
plausible?

Omong 27 January 2009 at 12:51  

From your glowing account of KJ, he appears brilliant in the area of intelligence.

What is most needed is a wealth of wisdom.

The most alarming part of KJ is the perceived links to the southern neighbour.

Let's choose the boring and dull plain water to the bubbly and charming champagne.

Omong 27 January 2009 at 13:04  

Oh yes, almost forgot ...

MM did NOT resign from UMNO like his dad, the ex-PM who has put in 22 years of sacrifice for Malaysia.

BTW his views are still sought by the world (like it or not).

Anonymous,  27 January 2009 at 13:10  

omong?
Since you know how to judge a person so well pray tell the wisdom of MM and KT?

Apart from inheriting Tun Mahathir's wisdom and track record MM is wiser in what ways?Bapak punya wisdom boleh inherit ker?Sure??
To quietly carry out money politics without anybody noticing?To pretend to be quiet, sober and not greedy-looking?

And KT??
Wiser looking maybe? Appearance?? Money politics carried out in the most discreet manner maybe?

Anonymous,  27 January 2009 at 19:24  

Listening to KJ in interviews (rather than commentaries about him). I have been impressed. Unfortunately he is the scapegoat of the moment.

Mukhriz does not impress me at all. No new ideas, nothing. Riding on the coattails of his father. On his own, as a candidate, his utterings have not been impressive.

Khir Toyo, too is impressive. This is a dude who thinks.

Rashdan Omar,  27 January 2009 at 21:11  

Anon 09:56,

I am not quite sure what MM and KT have achieved given that they are both a decade older than KJ and yet have not much to show for themselves. I think all three of them have yet to achieve much and the Pemuda delegates are voting based on potential more than anything else.

This is strange given KT's tenure as MB Selangor for eight years, yet most people would be hard-pressed to say what he has achieved during his time apart from being the first BN MB to lose the state, demolish a Hindu temple days before Deepavali and give a broom to a district officer.

As for MM, he's a blank canvass with a big Mahathir watermark in the background as far as most people are concerned. In other words, he's not known to have done much and really echoes his father whenever he speaks. i suppose people are willing to give him the benefit of doubt notwithstanding the fact that he doesn't appear to have thoughts of his own. He is well-off, has a new mansion in Taman Duta and has two Porsches in his garage. His business accomplishment that earned that lifestyle? A fibre-optic cable company which gets most of its business from Telekom Malaysia. No big deal there. Standard UMNO-style crony capitalism.

But be that as it may, UMNO delegates have short memory and are now picking based on whom they think can best lead them in the future.

The other thing is , why is the ECM Libra thing corruption? Please explain. Everyone who has something bad to say about KJ says ECM Libra. But they don't say what it is about ECM Libra that's corruption. I think if Anon 09:56 is prepared to make such a bold statement, he should at least indulge in some detailed analysis rather than a broad brushstroke which reveals nothing much more than a personal antipathy towards KJ.

I am not taking sides for the moment, but as an independent observer (UMNO member since 1995), I must say that the KP candidate who has most potential is KJ. Yes, he may have made some mistakes in the past but that's UMNO Youth. They make mistakes and learn. Unfortunately, he was under the spotlight and people were less forgiving because of that.

I also agree with Dato' Sak. If its indeed true that KJ made money along the way, he has really done what every other UMNO leader before him and every UMNO leader after him will likely do. Yet, there is no hard proof of this and as far as I am concerned, it is still the stuff of speculation than fact.

Thanks Dato' Sak for elevating political debate in Malaysian blogosphere, especially when it comes to KJ. As a high profile politician, he attracts a lot of attention, mostly negative. But what this blog has one is to take the the subject (KJ) and attempt to discuss it dispassionately and objectively.

Unfortunately KJ-haters like Anon 09:56 will persist with their attacks because they just cannot debate the KJ issue rationally.

My personal take: Anon 09:56 and his ilk are just jealous. Yup. That's the bottom line...

Anonymous,  27 January 2009 at 21:14  

Dear Dato' Sak. If these Pemuda UMNO candidates are the best that UMNO can throw up, we are in deep kimchi for anther generation.

Anonymous,  27 January 2009 at 21:15  

Sakmongkol,

Great Blog. Melawan arus dalam isu KJ. Tapi saya setuju. Saya pernah jumpa KJ dan dengar dia berucap. Memang hebat. Tak ramai anak Melayu umur 30an yang boleh berucap macam tu. Bukan hanya retorik but ada substance.
The way he answer questions pun ada fact dan style.
Give the guy a chance.
I distrust majority blog opinion. We must see and decide for ourselves. Sebagai someone yang pernah jumpa KJ walaupun sekali, saya cukup impressed.
Salam hormat.

chorocoso,  27 January 2009 at 21:16  

Anonymous 21:14,

KJ is better than anyone you have in Pakatan... No contest there.

Anonymous,  28 January 2009 at 12:31  

Dato'

Age should not be an excuse for misbehaviour if one is eying to be a top leader. If Khairy is not ready for it due to age, then he should sit in the corner and wait until he is ready. Unlike others arrogance politician like Nazri Aziz or JJ, these people did not eye for the top job..even they do, they are where they are now...

For dubious business dealing and such, the problem with Khairy and the gang is that they take everything and none for others. Do you need a prove? well asked everybody around you which govt projects that do not have Khairy trademark...since khairy and the 4th Floor boys are the mastermind for development in this country...do you see any real development in this country? These people are textbooks oriented who are not experienced managers. They can only come out with some ideas which anyway not that impressive as what they do is just copycat from other success project around the world..not supporting Khairy is to tell him that his current mode is not working...supporting him will only lead to expansion of 4th Floor office and causing more damage to the country....

Dato' Macamana 28 January 2009 at 12:58  

Dear Dato'
Got to respect your for outlining your points and all the idiot anti khairys beating around the bush. The logic is so simple any standard 6 boy can see, which is
"Given the fact that none of the KP candidates in UMNO are free from misusing their nama, their bapak, or their title, why not go with the best and the brightest of the lot'

Eh... Anti Khairy's listen up. Yesterday you'll will be praising Dato' Sak, saying he is smart, well educated and most important sensible. Today you condemn this man, what kind of hypocrite person are you. This is Dato' Sak's blog, his opinion, and he put the reason. He did not just say support Mukhriz cos Mahatir told me so kind of idiotic lame argument.

None of you jokers can make a convincing story, because maybe like the candidate you support, your not that smart after all.

Anonymous,  28 January 2009 at 16:49  

Dear Chorocoso,

Then Malaysia is in deep kimchi for another generation.

Putus Harapan

Sokong Believe It,  29 January 2009 at 21:31  

I support 100% what Believe It said.

If anyone is serious about saving UMNO, help eradicate money politics, don't vote in the corrupt so-called leaders.

Sokong Believe It,  29 January 2009 at 22:05  

I also support the arguments put forward by Anonymous 27 January 2009 09.56.

UMNO will die a miserable death if members say they have taken money, so can we, or we have to choose the lesser of two or three evils.

There's such thing called abstention, conscientious abstention. Don't vote in or support the corrupt ones.

Some one has to start doing it, others would likely follow if you talk sufficiently to targeted ones about it. Those with pensions at least have something to get by and may sttart doing it.

It's easier said than done but the alternative is that corruption and money politics persist and the Malay problem gets compounded.

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